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Janiz

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...and actually this vessel and its class has excleent sea keeping capabilities. They are very good design.
Jeff, don't forget for what kind of mission those warships were designed - mainly littoral waters, not going to an open ocean too much, and even if, that means a trip to Hawaii in the middle of the summer at best. I bet they're good for what they're made of when it comes to seaworthiness. But don't forget that requirements for a warship which operates on the Northern Atlantic or North Sea on constant basis are different animals. And we know it from history when US battleships had to make their way to Europe and they just couldn't keep up with English counterparts in harsh conditions, not even speaking of fighting.

I'm not going to talk like those Korean vessels are good for nothing. But let's not make it a golden standard as well.
 

Jeff Head

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Jeff, don't forget for what kind of mission those warships were designed - mainly littoral waters, not going to an open ocean too much, and even if, that means a trip to Hawaii in the middle of the summer at best. I bet they're good for what they're made of when it comes to seaworthiness. But don't forget that requirements for a warship which operates on the Northern Atlantic or North Sea on constant basis are different animals. And we know it from history when US battleships had to make their way to Europe and they just couldn't keep up with English counterparts in harsh conditions, not even speaking of fighting.

I'm not going to talk like those Korean vessels are good for nothing. But let's not make it a golden standard as well.
Well...my father fought in World War II all the way across the PAcific and I can tell you, though there are times of the year that the Atlantic has constant very bad weather...they get bad seas in the Pacific as well.

The Navies of the world have learned a lot since the World War I days when the US BBs had difficulties.

All US vessels are designed for it now...and the AEGIS vessels the Japnese and the Koreans have are designed after the US designs.

The Se Jong the Great vessels are basically a larger version of a flight II A.

They have good sea keeping wualities and are designed for inclement weather.

But no matter how good the design, if they can, all Navies avoid the worst of weather in the open seas.

Mother nature can damage or sink any vessel if they are not careful in bad weather.
 

FORBIN

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Doing trials and stuff like that.

That forward superstructure looks as big as on Atago class or at least Burke class. On a 3k hull. Trying to sail it into Northern Atlantic or North Sea in the winter would bring a lot of 'fun' to everone aboard ;)
Exact Master Jeff ! Same problem in Pacific with the monsoon season, typhoons
 
now I read
State auditor looking into KF-X project
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The Board of Audit and Inspection (BAI) is looking into the nation's indigenous KF-X fighter jet development program.

According to the Board of Audit and Inspection of Korea (BAI), Friday, its investigation into the implementation of the project's offset deal has been underway since April. The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) is subject to the probe.

A transfer of 25 technologies was included in the contract signed with Lockheed Martin in September 2014 in return for Korea's purchase of 40 F-35 aircraft. However, before the project was officially kicked off in January last year, the program suffered a severe crisis after the U.S. government refused to allow Lockheed to hand over four core technologies _ the active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, the electronic optics targeting pod (EOTGP), the infrared search and radio frequency (RF) jammer and the infrared search and tracking (IRST) system.

DAPA said the nation would develop its own AESA radar, which the U.S. government refused to hand over to Korea for security reasons.

Hanwha Thales, an affiliate of Hanwha Group, was selected last year to produce the AESA radar, essential equipment that helps a pilot identify friend or foe in battle and find targets on the ground, under the supervision of the Agency for Defence Development (ADD).

Another controversy erupted surrounding then-Defence Minister Kim Kwan-jin's role in the controversial decision to buy F-35 stealth fighters from Lockheed Martin. Kim headed the Defence Acquisition Program Executive Committee, a panel that selected the F-35s over Boeing's F15-SEs in March last year.

Kim has denied allegations that DAPA lied about the terms of the contract in order to help Lockheed win the bid. DAPA officials said the committee's decision to choose Lockheed after they first-recommended Boeing's F-15SE was unexpected as Boeing was more positive in handing over core technologies.

There is speculation that other weapons projects could also be investigated as President Moon Jae-in is determined to eradicate corruption in the country. Cheong Wa Dae has announced a plan to establish a special task force aimed at overhauling defence business contracts during the previous government.

The KF-X project is aimed at locally developing twin-engine combat jets equipped with state-of-the-art aviation electronics equipment by 2026, which would replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4s and F-5s.

Developing the fighter jets is estimated to cost 8.5 trillion won, and an additional 10 trillion won is needed to produce 120 jets by 2032.
 
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South Korea suspends THAAD deployment

South Korea's new government has suspended the deployment of a controversial US missile defense system that strained relations with China and angered North Korea.
An official told CNN on Wednesday that while Seoul will not withdraw two launchers of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system that are already in action, four additional launchers will not be deployed until "a full-blown environmental impact assessment is completed."
During the recent election campaign,
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called for the THAAD rollout to be halted and any decision about its future to be put before the country's parliament.
Deployment of THAAD was agreed by his predecessor -- disgraced President Park Geun-hye -- and Washington. The system was
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At the time, analysts said this was an attempt to force Moon's hand and make it difficult for his government to withdraw the system from South Korea.
The THAAD rollout has been vociferously opposed by China, which fears it could be used to spy on its own defense and nuclear deterrent systems.
Relations between Seoul and Beijing have soured significantly as a result of its deployment, affecting
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A spokesman for the Pentagon said the United States will work with the South Korean government "throughout this process."
"The US trusts (South Korea's) stance that the THAAD deployment was an alliance decision and it will not be reversed," Navy Cmdr. Gary Ross said.
Gen. Mark Milley, US Army chief of staff, told the Senate Subcommittee on Defense that the system is essential to protect thousands of US troops in South Korea, as well as South Korean citizens.
"We'll work through it, and at the end of the day I think the Republic of Korea will be properly supported by the United States," he said.
Delayed deployment
THAAD was not due to be fully operational until the end of the year. The environmental assessment -- even if it ultimately permits deployment to continue -- will likely delay this to at least 2018.
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to shoot down short- and medium-range ballistic missiles in the latter stages of their flight as they plunge toward their targets.
While this means it cannot act against the type of intermediate-range missiles North Korea has been testing in recent months, THAAD also includes a sophisticated radar that will fit into an overlapping series of US missile defense systems, including Aegis warships operating in the Pacific and Patriot missile batteries deployed in Japan.
The radar could provide critical early tracking data to these missile interception systems, as well as those protecting Guam, the closest US territory to North Korea.
 
Yesterday at 8:41 PM
I first heard about it from
#642 Hendrik_2000, Yesterday at 8:44 PM
and today noticed at CNN
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South Korea suspends THAAD deployment
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US Lawmaker Chastises South Korea for Suspending THAAD
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A U.S. senator blasted the South Korean government’s delay in accepting a missile-defense system and questioned
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leaders why the vulnerable Pacific country would have second thoughts about the nearly $1 billion American investment.

“Something that I thought was agreed to over a period of two years is now going to be actively debated in the assembly of South Korea to determine whether or not they will accept our expenditure of $923 million for a missile defense system,” Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Illinois, said Wednesday during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing.

Durbin’s comments came the same day South Korean President Moon Jae-in’s office called for the suspension of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, system pending an environmental impact assessment that could take more than a year.

“This THAAD missile defense system for medium-range missiles seems so obvious to me for the people living in South Korea to protect them and to protect our forces … I am troubled by the fact that it is now going to be resubmitted for political debate in the Republic of Korea,” Durbin said.

He asked both Acting Secretary of the Army Robert Speer and Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley for their insight on the issue and if the South Korean government has shown any change of attitude toward its relationship with the United States.

Speer said he had not spoken to South Korean leaders, but said he believes “the relationship is going well,” and that two THAAD batteries are “up and operational.”

The South Korean presidency stressed it wasn’t calling for the withdrawal of two launchers and other equipment already positioned on a designated site in a remote southeastern area. The launchers and radar for THAAD were
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in the Seongju area in an overnight operation that critics said was aimed at getting it into place before May 9 snap elections that ushered Moon into office.

The government also has launched an investigation into whether the country’s defense ministry kept secret the delivery of four additional launchers and sought to make the program appear smaller to legally avoid an all-out environmental impact evaluation.

Milley told Durbin that he regularly interacts with his counterpart in South Korea and assured him that “we will work through that. As I understand the issue … it has to do with environmental concerns and the placement” of the system.

“The THAAD is essential to protect U.S. forces in Korea but also South Korea as a whole,” he said.

Durbin said the point raised by the South Korean president “was two-fold — environmental and the second one what he called due process, namely that his assembly would need to debate whether or not to go forward with this missile-defense system.”

Meanwhile, North Korea fired several suspected short-range anti-ship missiles Thursday, South Korea’s military said, in a continuation of defiant launches as it seeks to build a nuclear missile capable of reaching the continental United States.

The projectiles were fired from the eastern coastal town of Wonsan and likely flew about 200 kilometers (about 125 miles) while reaching a maximum altitude of about 2 kilometers (1.2 miles), South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said.

They landed in waters between the Korean Peninsula and Japan, where the U.S.
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and USS Ronald Reagan participated in joint exercises with the South Korean navy that ended earlier this week.

“I can’t follow their logic here,” Durbin said. “I would think, if I lived in the Republic of Korea, I would want every missile defense system available.”
 

Jeff Head

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The S KOR government is tryiong to play both sides of this.

They have two operational.

They are not pulling those back.

They are simply delaying the other four until they do an "impact study."

Well, a full study was already done and they are simply going to let some public criticism cool off before moving ahead.

That's how I see this...and I believe I am right.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The S KOR government is tryiong to play both sides of this.

They have two operational.

They are not pulling those back.

They are simply delaying the other four until they do an "impact study."

Well, a full study was already done and they are simply going to let some public criticism cool off before moving ahead.

That's how I see this...and I believe I am right.
They aren't pulling those 2 back immediately so as to not piss of the US too much. Moon never wanted THAAD, any part of it. The reason THAAD moved so quickly was because the corrupt jailed woman knew that THAAD could never be deployed under the new government so she rushed it to try to force Moon's hand. If the new government wanted the other 4, the easiest thing to do would be to pretend they never found out about them being smuggled into Korea without the president's permission and let them get set up. After that, Moon can even blame those who tricked him and say they're already there so he'll have to honor them like the other 2. But he didn't do that; he stopped them as forcefully as he could. And if they are set up in the future, it will be refreshing the issue all over, except this time, the responsibility will be on Moon and then he'll have no one to blame when China holds him responsible. China wouldn't let it "cool off"; that's for sure. If they wanted to deploy THAAD, the best time is now while there's momentum and a scapegoat already in jail for it. But they decided to put a full stop instead and that shows me that they're looking for a 180 on the issue. It's pretty clear that the environmental study is meant to buy time so Moon can talk to China, ensure that the removal of the final 2 would guarantee South Korean businesses are again left to flourish in China. Then the study would find some reason to conclude in requiring THAAD to be completely removed. That's my take.

Let's see how it goes.
 
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