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Stealthflanker

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I like how SK develop their own VLS's. That makes their offering very competitive against say, Japan which doesnt build their own VLS's.

Also the arsenal ship looks interesting but given that they also have interest in carrier aviation. I wonder if the arsenal ship is actually a backup plan if the carrier aviation does not take off.
 

BoraTas

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I like how SK develop their own VLS's. That makes their offering very competitive against say, Japan which doesnt build their own VLS's.

Also the arsenal ship looks interesting but given that they also have interest in carrier aviation. I wonder if the arsenal ship is actually a backup plan if the carrier aviation does not take off.
South Korean naval spending is 50% nationalism. They probably want these arsenal ships (a concept deemed unsound by many other countries after studies) because Japan is building large air defense ships and China has 055s. In SK media KDX-3 was justified by the existence of Japanese Aegis Destroyers.
1 - is it?
NK firepower is quite impressive - and, as Karabakh and now Ukrainian conflict shows, was developed in a very right direction.

Worst Korea looks fancier, but apart from the airforce (which North simply can't get from anywhere), i would be careful talking overmatches. Especially great ones.
You aren't going to claim South Korea doesn't overmatch the North, right?
2 - RK navy has a relatively safe geographical backyard in the sea of Japan - and it's already large enough to matter (all 3 East Asian navies are).
It of course depends on the political setup of the conflict(North Korea? Japan?), but dismissing ROK navy is wrong.
The sea of Japan is absolutely not safe from PLAAF and PLARF. In fact, it is a quite horrible place. South Korean Navy wouldn't survive long against China. They could depart to the Pacific but then they are not contributing to the defense of their country.
 

Gloire_bb

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You aren't going to claim South Korea doesn't overmatch the North, right?

The sea of Japan is absolutely not safe from PLAAF and PLARF. In fact, it is a quite horrible place. South Korean Navy wouldn't survive long against China. They could depart to the Pacific but then they are not contributing to the defense of their country.
Check military balance?
On land and in rocket force, hard numbers favoured and continue to favour NK. Sometimes - massively. And that's without nuclear.

Sea of Japan requires overflight over wast swaths of enemy home airspace, or corner flying through non-Chinese airspace, which may or may not be available.

Only after that you even get to engage ROK, which is just as modern as PLAN.
 

montyp165

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Check military balance?
On land and in rocket force, hard numbers favoured and continue to favour NK. Sometimes - massively. And that's without nuclear.

Sea of Japan requires overflight over wast swaths of enemy home airspace, or corner flying through non-Chinese airspace, which may or may not be available.

Only after that you even get to engage ROK, which is just as modern as PLAN.
Sea of Japan is well within firepower coverage of both PRC and Russia, and any conflict covering that geographical area China and Russia would have no constraints in eliminating threat forces from there at this point.
 

Gloire_bb

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Sea of Japan is well within firepower coverage of both PRC and Russia, and any conflict covering that geographical area China and Russia would have no constraints in eliminating threat forces from there at this point.
Reach circle isn't exactly a iron curtain, as ongoing conflict should've taught everyone.

Entirety of South Korea is within strike radius (and now most of economocally-significant China) - that's just a new normal for operations.
 

montyp165

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Reach circle isn't exactly a iron curtain, as ongoing conflict should've taught everyone.

Entirety of South Korea is within strike radius (and now most of economocally-significant China) - that's just a new normal for operations.
Elimination of naval surface combatants is far easier than ground combat due to minimal-nonexistant terrain and greater effect of sensors and information flow, and this works far more in China's favor than their potential opposition, especially since the Chinese position was always under targeting by said opposition in the first place.
 

Gloire_bb

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Elimination of naval surface combatants is far easier than ground combat due to minimal-nonexistant terrain and greater effect of sensors and information flow
It is untrue: naval combat is conducted at far larger ranges and speeds. Uninvolved people perhaps don't understand how much everything is uncertain in peer warfare beyond the horizon. And, consequently, why surface capability for SAMs isn't a joke, and gun isn't just for male contests.
Targeting chains in naval warfare are long, uncertain, exploitable and desruptable. The fancier the chain(longer ranged) - the more desruptable.

Cost of a mistake is high, both in risk(firing = exposure) and mathematically (modern anti-ship munitions aren't endless).

Big question here is space (not that space brings now, but that it'll bring in a few years) - but precisely because we haven't seen a single war when space ISR was seriously disrupted - i think there's merit in being cautious here.
Space ISR is already quite foolable - yet no one has ever launched a shot at it. Yet.
and this works far more in China's favor than their potential opposition, especially since the Chinese position was always under targeting by said opposition in the first place.
Yet China currently is firmly on the pathway to building a surface navy second to none.
Isn't it a bit too much of an investment, if a few strategically deployed PrSM and NSM trucks will deny the whole thing?
That's the whole point - Korean(or allied) navy east of the peninsula operates in a more or less similar - or slightly more advantageous, - position to the PLAN.
ROKN itself is structurally more or less a downscaled PLAN* - and thus is quite comparable to one of PLAN's territorial fleets taken alone.
*For high-level planning purposes. Differences of course exist.
 

BoraTas

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It is untrue: naval combat is conducted at far larger ranges and speeds. Uninvolved people perhaps don't understand how much everything is uncertain in peer warfare beyond the horizon. And, consequently, why surface capability for SAMs isn't a joke, and gun isn't just for male contests.
Targeting chains in naval warfare are long, uncertain, exploitable and desruptable. The fancier the chain(longer ranged) - the more desruptable.

Cost of a mistake is high, both in risk(firing = exposure) and mathematically (modern anti-ship munitions aren't endless).

Big question here is space (not that space brings now, but that it'll bring in a few years) - but precisely because we haven't seen a single war when space ISR was seriously disrupted - i think there's merit in being cautious here.
Space ISR is already quite foolable - yet no one has ever launched a shot at it. Yet.

Yet China currently is firmly on the pathway to building a surface navy second to none.
Isn't it a bit too much of an investment, if a few strategically deployed PrSM and NSM trucks will deny the whole thing?
We are not talking about a few missiles when it comes to PLA. This is just H-6J and H-6G. A tiny drop of PLA's anti-shipping complex.
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And yes I am firm in my and many other peoples' opinion that surface fleets are vulnerable if enemy air operations are not contested. Aircraft are simply more mobile and can attack ships putting themselves in little danger. If SK is concerned about China their current naval overspending is the worst thing they can do. Very low benefits for the price. Japan at least understood the problem (massive PLA firepower and resilience) correctly and is now prioritizing SSMs and air defenses like never before. They are also thinking about upgrading their air force further. Japan is also building new bases to increase resilience. SK? Arsenal ship with 3 different VLS, aircraft carrier, 3 destroyer programs.
 
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