South Korea dispatches 20 gunboats to disputed islands

bd popeye

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I do not know if this subject is forbidden but here I go. South Korea has dispached 20 gunboats to the disputed islands because Japan is sending some survey ships there. Negoiators are trying to head off any conflict. I wonder where the US stands on this? Afterall the US is an ally to both countries.

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Apr 20, 12:22 PM EDT

South Korea, Japan race to avert a clash

By KWANG-TAE KIM
Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- Japanese and South Korean negotiators raced Thursday to avert a clash over disputed islets as Seoul accused Tokyo of imperialistic ambitions and warned of a possible confrontation at sea.

Behind-the-scenes talks on a diplomatic solution came as tensions mounted over a Japanese plan to survey resource-rich waters near the islands, which are occupied by South Korea but claimed by Japan.

Some 20 South Korean gunboats have been dispatched to the area in anticipation of the arrival of Japanese survey ships. The gunboats were scheduled to conduct high seas seizure drills Thursday, but delayed the exercises due to bad weather.

In Seoul, the Foreign Ministry summoned the Japanese embassy for talks, while warning of the possibility of a clash. Japan held the "key" to preventing conflict, ministry spokesman Choo Kyu-ho said.

President Roh Moo-hyun accused Tokyo of harboring imperialistic ambitions. Many South Koreans say the basis of Japan's claim is its 1910-45 colonial rule of the Korean Peninsula.

"There are some people claiming territorial rights to former colonies that were once acquired through a war of aggression," Roh said in a speech at a breakfast prayer meeting of Christian leaders in Seoul.

"We are now in a difficult situation," he said. "Problems cannot be solved just by goodwill."

The rocky outcroppings, called Dokdo by Koreans and Takeshima in Japan, are surrounded by rich fishing waters and both countries claim the area as part of their exclusive economic zones. Korea Gas Corp. estimates the area also has enough methane hydrate deposits to meet South Korean natural gas demands for 30 years.

In Tokyo, Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said there had been "unofficial" contact between the two sides but Japan still planned to go ahead with the survey.

"The Japanese Coast Guard is carrying out preparations to conduct a maritime survey that is based on international law," he said. "A calm response is necessary, and unofficial contacts between Japan and South Korea are taking place."

The European Union called for a peaceful resolution.

"The EU is saddened to see that there are tensions between the two countries and hopes that the countries can find a peaceful diplomatic solution," visiting EU Commissioner for External Relations Benita Ferrero-Waldner told a news conference in Seoul.

Meanwhile, hundreds of riot police guarded the Japanese Embassy in Seoul as demonstrators gathered, chanting "Dokdo is our territory!" A dozen fishery workers later failed in an attempt to storm the compound.

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi suggested Japan may dispatch a foreign ministry official to South Korea to avert a clash. News reports had earlier said Undersecretary for Foreign Affairs Shotaro Yachi may travel to Seoul as early as Friday.

When asked about the reports, Koizumi said Japan would do its utmost to reach an amicable solution.

News reports said the survey might begin later Thursday. Two survey ships left Japan's west coast on Wednesday but have been lingering offshore since.

Foreign Minister Taro Aso said Thursday Japan needs to conduct the survey to protect its national interests.

But Japanese newspapers reported Thursday that Tokyo offered to drop its survey if Seoul agreed to not register Korean place names in the disputed waters, including a proposal to rename the Sea of Japan, at an international conference in June. Some undersea basins and ridges are not yet named.

Song Min-soon, Roh's security adviser, said in an interview with South Korea's KBS Radio, however, that Seoul has no intention to withdraw its renaming proposal.

The leader of South Korea's ruling Uri Party, meanwhile, urged tougher measures against Japan.

"Japan has finally crossed the line," Chung Dong-young was quoted as saying by party spokeswoman Seo Young-kyo. "We have been practicing somewhat quiet and calm diplomacy up until now, but we can no longer stand this."

The island dispute marks a further deterioration in ties between the two countries, which have struggled for years to overcome a centuries-long history of animosity.

The countries are also at odds over Koizumi's repeated visits to a war shrine that critics, Seoul included, consider a glorification of Japan's imperialist past.

Members of South Korean Coast Guard participate in a drill at a port in Pohang , South Korea, Wednesday, April 19, 2006, amid escalating territorial dispute over Dokdo islets between South Korean and Japan. South Korea's Foreign Ministry warned Thursday there is the possibility of a physical clash with Japan over Tokyo's plan to survey waters claimed by both countries. (AP Photo/Dong A Ilbo, Chun Young-hwan)

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crazyinsane105

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Situation seems to be getting dangerous. Let's hope shots aren't fired. However, if the situation does seem to get out of hand, what will the position of the US be? Any guesses?
 

IDonT

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crazyinsane105 said:
Situation seems to be getting dangerous. Let's hope shots aren't fired. However, if the situation does seem to get out of hand, what will the position of the US be? Any guesses?
I think its the same situation as the Greek-turkish relationships. Both countries are members of NATO and have some issues to which one of them owns Cyprus. US will take the middle line and ask both sides to talk.
 

Nethappy

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Well I highly unlikely that the Japanese going to get much backing from other Asian country. As Most would just see it as another Imperial expansion
 

DPRKUnderground

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Nethappy said:
Well I highly unlikely that the Japanese going to get much backing from other Asian country. As Most would just see it as another Imperial expansion

Well the only two powers in that region besides them are China and South Korea. Taiwan won't do anything, the Phillipines had their bad stuff happen b/c of Japanese imperialism, and North Korea....Well that's pretty obvious. But I think South Korea has an advantage. Their soldiers are as tough as nails! The US Rangers had to stop taking the South Korean Ranger school b/c not one American Ranger ever passed it. That says a lot.
 

Finn McCool

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DPRKUnderground said:
Well the only two powers in that region besides them are China and South Korea. Taiwan won't do anything, the Phillipines had their bad stuff happen b/c of Japanese imperialism, and North Korea....Well that's pretty obvious. But I think South Korea has an advantage. Their soldiers are as tough as nails! The US Rangers had to stop taking the South Korean Ranger school b/c not one American Ranger ever passed it. That says a lot.

I have to disagree. The South wouldn't be invading Japan. And the JMSDF is far superior to the South Korean Navy. The Japanese Air force would probably defeat the South Koreans as well. However, neither country will hit the other's mainland, because so many base facilites are shared with the Americans in both countries.

What would China do? It would probably denounce Japan's "imperialist actions" in order to bring South Korea more in to its orbit, as South Korea is already influenced by China. China might even use this as an excuse to occupy its own disputed islands/gas fields. Although the JMSDF can handle South Korea or China, it can't handle South Korea and China. Moreover, this would force the Americans to choose between trying to stop Chinese agression and appearing to abandon their allies the SKs, or side with the SKs, allow China to "get away with it", and abandon their closest ally in the Pacific reigon, Japan. Just a thought.

Anyway, the Japanese could ever a few of their quiet diesel subs underneath those gunboats right now, and if a real war starts, those gunboats go down pretty fast. The Impeial Japanese Navy...I mean Japanese Maritime Defence Force;) ...Would defeat the South Koreans. All in all, this would be very embarassing for the United States.
 

KYli

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Finn McCool said:
I have to disagree. The South wouldn't be invading Japan. And the JMSDF is far superior to the South Korean Navy. The Japanese Air force would probably defeat the South Koreans as well. However, neither country will hit the other's mainland, because so many base facilites are shared with the Americans in both countries.

What would China do? It would probably denounce Japan's "imperialist actions" in order to bring South Korea more in to its orbit, as South Korea is already influenced by China. China might even use this as an excuse to occupy its own disputed islands/gas fields. Although the JMSDF can handle South Korea or China, it can't handle South Korea and China. Moreover, this would force the Americans to choose between trying to stop Chinese agression and appearing to abandon their allies the SKs, or side with the SKs, allow China to "get away with it", and abandon their closest ally in the Pacific reigon, Japan. Just a thought.

Anyway, the Japanese could ever a few of their quiet diesel subs underneath those gunboats right now, and if a real war starts, those gunboats go down pretty fast. The Impeial Japanese Navy...I mean Japanese Maritime Defence Force;) ...Would defeat the South Koreans. All in all, this would be very embarassing for the United States.
South Korea will not involve with China against Japanese with the dispute islands, because they don't need to. In this time period, South Korea is in better position than Japan, it really is up to Japan to be the agressive. So why SK would want China to complicate things for them.

China know they can't count on SK right now, by involving themselves would not give China much incentives. Actually it might back fire, and cause embarrassment for Chinese if SK turn down the help. Eventhrough SK and US have their difference, but they still enjoy a fairly close relationship.

Japan's action was well calculate, so there are little chance for things to get out of control. And Japan would not do things to offend US, since US don't want trouble between Japan and SK. It is highly unlikely things will get out of control.
 

bd popeye

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I hope there will be no shooting. But if their is My money is on the JSDF..They just have a superior force. I don't know if the JMSDF will be escorting those Japanese survey ships.

As an American I'm very intrested to see where the US will stand if there is any shooting. I hope the US remains nutreal and acts as a mediator to help to avoid conflict.
 

f2000

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well i hop us should send something to prevent any shooting there.
this dokdo\takeshima island is 87.4km from Eleungdo of sk and 187.5km from oki island of japan.sk navy has stationed security guards on takeshima since 1954 n also built docking facility in 1997 although repeated protest from japan.
although my bet on jmsdf with advanced ssk n ddg fleets,better sign a treaty than bloody conflict(i doubt it will happen).the situation is going to be complicated especially for us n china will not interfere in this.:china:
 
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