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Brumby

Major
China move became more aggressive ...

Chinese large ship ramming a small Vietnamese fishing boat -DNa 90152 sinking it inside Vietnam's EEZ on 26 May 2014
[video=youtube;pg9uoueaxXU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg9uoueaxXU[/video]
[video=youtube;RICfonGT-y4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICfonGT-y4[/video]

This episode can easily be spinned away. We have seen so many of them. If caught, the standard line probably will be "the Vietnamese boats were being provocative and created trouble by being there. China has no choice but to defend its territorial integrity." It is everyone else at fault defence doctrine.
 

climax

New Member
This episode can easily be spinned away. We have seen so many of them. If caught, the standard line probably will be "the Vietnamese boats were being provocative and created trouble by being there. China has no choice but to defend its territorial integrity." It is everyone else at fault defence doctrine.

I don't think fishing activity is "provocative". Report from Vietnam said the incident was happen at 17nm away from rig location.

And they used big fishing ships to attack small wooden fishing ship, then said: "Vietnamese ship rammed on Chinese ship, and sunk itself".

There's nothing like that.
 

Brumby

Major
I don't think fishing activity is "provocative". Report from Vietnam said the incident was happen at 17nm away from rig location.

And they used big fishing ships to attack small wooden fishing ship, then said: "Vietnamese ship rammed on Chinese ship, and sunk itself".

There's nothing like that.

I saw the video. It was nasty the way the big boat went after the little one. I was just being facetious in my comments. The point of my comment is that regardless, the China propaganda machine will say someone else is at fault for the provocation - period, no ifs or buts.
 

advill

Junior Member
Don't expect China to back down on its territorial water claims. Options for Vietnam are: (1) if possible, to seek joint China-Vietnam development/exploration of the waters concerned, or (2) bring the matter up to the UN like Philippines did and hope for the best. The Vietnamese dilemma are: (a) It will have to "stand alone" militarily against a very much bigger power, (b) ASEAN will not interfere or take sides and (c) Unlike the Philippines, there is no defence treaty with the US, so no protection.




I saw the video. It was nasty the way the big boat went after the little one. I was just being facetious in my comments. The point of my comment is that regardless, the China propaganda machine will say someone else is at fault for the provocation - period, no ifs or buts.
 

Brumby

Major
Don't expect China to back down on its territorial water claims.

On the contrary, I expect China to intensify its efforts in securing as much of the waters it possibly can. They have a window opportunity of a bit over 2 years before the Obama presidency runs out. Obama will continue to make statements and China will feel indignify by it and consequently as punishment will have no choice but to grab more waters.
 

advill

Junior Member
China has done in-depth analyses (and continues to do so) of the Obama Administration's pivot to Asia. The PRC will continue to systematically grab more of their "claimed territorial waters". Reclaiming/land-filling of reefs in the Spratlys have begun, much to the consternation of the Philippines, which can do nothing to stop such activities. Three Carriers are being built for the PLA-N, and when deployed in a few years time, they will be able to further project their naval power in its S.E. Asia claimed territorial waters. Interesting to see what would be the next/follow-up moves of the US and its allies, if any? Hopefully it is not "No Action Talk Only", thereby giving China complete freedom to do what it likes.




On the contrary, I expect China to intensify its efforts in securing as much of the waters it possibly can. They have a window opportunity of a bit over 2 years before the Obama presidency runs out. Obama will continue to make statements and China will feel indignify by it and consequently as punishment will have no choice but to grab more waters.
 

ManilaBoy45

Junior Member
South Korea to Transfer Pohang Class Corvette to the PHL Navy Before End of 2014

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5 June 2014 –South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwang-jin told Defense Secretary Voltaire T. Gazmin at a meeting in Seoul last May 30 that the Republic of Korea Navy (ROKN) will decommission a Pohang-class corvette (PCC) by yearend for donation to the Philippine Navy, yet another sign of the two countries’ growing defense cooperation, according to the Philippine Embassy in Seoul.Secretary Gazmin said the warship follows the acceptance by the Armed Forces of the Philippines of an earlier ROKN donation of a landing craft utility and 16 rubber boats.
 

Brumby

Major
China has done in-depth analyses (and continues to do so) of the Obama Administration's pivot to Asia. The PRC will continue to systematically grab more of their "claimed territorial waters". Reclaiming/land-filling of reefs in the Spratlys have begun, much to the consternation of the Philippines, which can do nothing to stop such activities. Three Carriers are being built for the PLA-N, and when deployed in a few years time, they will be able to further project their naval power in its S.E. Asia claimed territorial waters. Interesting to see what would be the next/follow-up moves of the US and its allies, if any? Hopefully it is not "No Action Talk Only", thereby giving China complete freedom to do what it likes.

As China projects its military activities further into the SCS it will progressively run into the same issues of A2AD that the US is facing viz a viz China. Advancement in ASM, increasing affordability, and cost disadvantage of defence vs. offence in a saturation scenario will make the task increasingly challenging for China.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Un in Putin's Embrace
Russia, North Korea to settle trade in rubles in bid to increase trade
8:44am EDT
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia and North Korea will begin settling their trade bills in rubles this month rather than dollars to facilitate trade between the two countries with a goal of reaching $1 billion by 2020, Russian news agencies said on Thursday.
Russia is trying to boost ties with Asian markets after being shunned by the West for its involvement in the Ukrainian crisis and annexing the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea.
For its part, impoverished by sanctions for conducting a series of nuclear and missile tests, North Korea has reached out to Moscow and Beijing for help to fill the gap left by the drying up of South Korean and U.S. economic assistance.
Under the new agreement, North Korean companies will be allowed to open accounts in Russian banks this month, RIA Novosti cited Alexander Galushka, minister for the development of the Russian Far East, as saying.
"The ability to settle in rubles will significantly accelerate and facilitate trade and economic cooperation between Russia and DPRK," RIA cited Galushka as saying.
Galushka was quoted as saying trade with North Korea rose by 64.2 percent last year to reach $112.7 million, which he termed "insignificant" and did not meet neither the capabilities nor the needs of both countries.
"Therefore, we set an ambitious goal to increase mutual trade by 2020 to $1 billion," he said.
There were no details on what part of the overall trade will be initially settled in rubles.
After a visit in April by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Trutnev to Pyongyang, President Vladimir Putin signed in early May a law forgiving 90 percent of North Korea's debt to Moscow from the Soviet era. The remainder, worth about $1 billion, is to be repaid interest-free within 20 to 40 years.
Galushka said the forgiveness of the debt has paved way for stronger ties between the two states. Russia re-opened a railway link with North Korea in September.
In May, Russia's state-run Gazprom signed a landmark 30-year natural gas supply deal with China worth more than $400 billion, and since then a series of other agreements aimed at easing trade with China have been signed.
(Reporting by Lidia Kelly; Editing by James Macharia)
In the Kremlin's own Words
Russia, North Korea to Launch Ruble Transactions
Russia, North Korea to Launch Ruble Transactions
Russia, North Korea to Launch Ruble Transactions
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11:33 05/06/2014
Tags: trade, ruble, North Korea, Russia
VLADIVOSTOK, June 5 (RIA Novosti) – Russia and North Korea are preparing to launch bilateral transactions in the Russian ruble this month to boost trade turnover between the two nations to $1 billion by 2020, Russia’s Far East Development Minister said Thursday.
In May 2014, Moscow agreed to write off 10.94 billion of Pyongyang’s Soviet debt with the remaining 1.09 billion to be paid in installments over the next 20 years.
“The decision to write off DPRK’s debt to Russia has opened up the way to resolve a wide range of issues that was previously blocked by this debt load. Ruble transactions between Russia and DPRK will begin as early as this month, with first bank accounts to be set up in Russian banks,” Far East’s Development Minister Alexander Galushko said.
North Korea currently uses euros as the official currency in settling overseas trade deals.
The announcement came on the heels of a meeting in Russia’s far eastern city of Vladivostok where Galushko took part in the sixth annual session of the Russian-Korean standing commission, an intergovernmental agency on trade, economic and scientific cooperation.
The minister added that Russia hoped to ramp up its trade turnover with Korea to $1 billion, up from the current $112 million. “It is not much,” he pointed out, saying that a greater degree of Korea’s commitment to the existing bilateral projects could whip up sales to $400-500 million.
Russia’s Asian pivot followed a string of unilateral sanctions by the West in reaction to Moscow’s stance on Crimea.
Russian leadership earlier expressed its desire to explore new markets for the country’s businesses, while reassuring international investors that Russia remains open for business, and there are no plans to restrict international commerce.
In other news
North Demands return of Defectors
North Korea urges South Korea to send back its fishermen

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North Korea again urged South Korea Thursday to repatriate two fishermen who expressed their wish to remain here after being rescued from a boat drifting off the South's east coast, claiming that Seoul has detained them without justification.

Last week, three men in their 20s and 30s were rescued by the South Korean Coast Guard near Ulleung Island on the East Sea after their ship ran adrift due to engine problems.

In accordance with their wishes, two of them were allowed to stay in the South on humanitarian grounds, while the remaining one was handed over to his communist homeland earlier this week.

In a statement on Thursday, an unidentified spokesman for the North's Central Committee of the Red Cross Society denounced the South for "unethical action," claiming that the South ignored the North's call to meet the two here face-to-face to confirm "if their intention is true."

"The South Korean authorities still keep them in custody, barring them from meeting with a representative of the DPRK side though several days have passed since then," it said. DPRK is the acronym of the North's official name, Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Calling the South's move "an unpardonable grave encroachment" upon the human rights of its citizens, Pyongyang urged their unconditional and immediate repatriation.

"If they refuse to do so, we will strongly react against them, as we have already warned, and then they will be held wholly responsible for the ensuing grave consequences," it said, without elaborating further. (Yonhap)

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Miragedriver

Brigadier
South Korea to Transfer Pohang Class Corvette to the PHL Navy Before End of 2014

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5 June 2014 –South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwang-jin told Defense Secretary Voltaire T. Gazmin at a meeting in Seoul last May 30 that the Republic of Korea Navy (ROKN) will decommission a Pohang-class corvette (PCC) by yearend for donation to the Philippine Navy, yet another sign of the two countries’ growing defense cooperation, according to the Philippine Embassy in Seoul.Secretary Gazmin said the warship follows the acceptance by the Armed Forces of the Philippines of an earlier ROKN donation of a landing craft utility and 16 rubber boats.

I have always liked the look of this corvette. Very sharp looking a good addition to Phillippines Navy.
 
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