South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

Jeff Head

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plawolf said:
So, Chinese aircraft flies in international airspace. Japan has a freak out and it's reported as China's fault.

What happened to freedom of navegation again? :rolleyes:
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As always, the press makes more out of it that it is.

when you listen to the "official" parts of the reporting, it is clear that no one freaked out.

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"The aircraft, believed to be two fighter jets, four bombers and two reconnaissance aircraft, did not violate Japanese airspace during a long-distance roundtrip flight," Suga said, but it was the first time Chinese warplanes had flown that route.

Suga acknowledged that the flights might be part of an exercise, but said that Japan would respond firmly to any violation of Japanese airspace.

"The government of Japan continues to watch the Chinese military's activity, which has become expansive and more active, while carrying out our surveillance activity," Suga said. "We are determined to defend our land, territorial waters and the skies."
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Stating that Japan will simply defend its land, territorial waters, and skies, is not a freak out.

China makes exactly the same statements often.

JApan never indicated that it intends to stop such exercises over international airspace. And it said straight up that it was simply an exercise over international air space.

If we allow it to rest at that...which are true statements...then we will not get sucked into the media spin...on either side.
 
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solarz said:
Exactly! China is simply doing in the ECS what the US is doing in the SCS.
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from what i've read on the Chinese boards, the PLAN and PLAAF will take a very active interest in ''FON" once the Japanese start ''patrolling'' the SCS. it's what they call ''if you come to my house, then i will visit yours'' we shall see lots of Chinese vessels and planes wandering near Japan's territories in the name of "FON''. two can play this ''FON" game, so let's sit back and see how they are going to party with our japanese friends!
 
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Banned member: Janiz

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siegecrossbow, Sep 9, 2016 Last edited: Sep 11, 2016
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duncanidaho said:
I think it's not wise, not to observe and follow siegecrossbow's instructions.
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texx1 said:
Today is Sept 25, 2016 in my time zone.

I believe this is the second time you have posted in gross violation of the one month ban imposed by a moderator (siegecrossbrow). First time can be a mistake, a second time suggests an intention to disregard forum rules. Thus you have been reported to moderators.

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An archive of your clear violation of your month long ban.
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Janiz said:
Especially with a country like Japan where they buy everything from A to Z - like they did with their F-35 purchase. They bought everything for maintance etc in a single deal. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the case here as well.
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Janiz said:
This show-off and timing was aimed to spoil first Japanese F-35A roll out ceremony which took place this weekend. For me that's all about that.
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Janiz said:
I think China renounced it after declaration of ADIZ over East China Sea. So this argument is pointless.
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Janiz, can you fill me in on how did you manage to pull this off? Hat off to you mate LoL.
 
Jeff Head

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Yvrch said:
Janiz, can you fill me in on how did you manage to pull this off? Hat off to you mate LoL.
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He has not avoided it.

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Yvrch

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Janiz said:
I think China renounced it after declaration of ADIZ over East China Sea. So this argument is pointless.
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Really? Your thought becomes reality with just a few key strokes? I want to see you tread on water mate LoL.
 
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Janiz said:
This show-off and timing was aimed to spoil first Japanese F-35A roll out ceremony which took place this weekend. For me that's all about that.
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common, last time you quoted me:
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Jura said:
thought you're suspended LOL!
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actually it wasn't funny and I thought you might get kick out of here back then (I know it was just chitchat about Submariners ... but your post above, two weeks after, is no chitchat)

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take care now
 
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solarz

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Looks like the Philippines is doing a little pivot of their own:

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Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said on Wednesday that an upcoming military joint exercise with the United States would be the last between the two allies, but pledged to honor their longstanding security treaty.

The firebrand leader has strained ties with Washington in recent weeks, calling for the pullout of U.S. special forces stationed in the Philippines' restive south that he said were complicating counter-insurgency operations.

"I am serving notice now to the Americans, this will be the last military exercise," Duterte told a gather of the Filipino community in Hanoi, referring to next month's joint marine exercise with the Philippines' former colonial master.

Duterte added that there would be no chance of joint naval patrols with Washington and that the notion that there was conflict between the Philippines and China was "more imaginary".

The comments by Duterte, a former southern mayor known for his terse words and volatile temperament, add to uncertainty about what impact his rise to the presidency this year will have on one of Washington's most important alliances in Asia.

The Philippine military and U.S. Marines are due to hold annual amphibious landing exercises from Oct. 4 to 12 in the north of the Philippines main island Luzon.

Military leaders from the two countries have also started preparing for a new set of exercises next year.

Duterte said the Philippines would not join any patrols in the South China Sea to avoid getting dragged into a possible conflict between the United States and China, but would continue to honor their 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty.

This week, Duterte said he will open new alliances with China and Russia to increase trade and commerce as defense and foreign ministry officials have started exploring weapons deal with Moscow.

Richard Jacobson, an American security expert, said Duterte's posturing could embolden China, which is expected to exploit what it perceives as a crack in the U.S.-Philippines relationship.

"One could say that the U.S.-Philippines relationship might become strained and even shaken," Jacobson told Reuters, but he doubts if it will be broken.

"The U.S. geopolitical stakes in the region are much too high to react to his hyperbole. The current attitude in Washington is mature - more of patience than feeling provoked."

Duterte is hugely popular at home for his brash remarks and take-charge style, but his frequent tirades against Washington, including calling both President Barack Obama and his ambassador to Manila a "son of a bitch", have tested a relationship of strategic importance to both sides.

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The Philippines and the United States share concerns about China's pursuit of broad claims in the South China Sea, which overlap with those of Manila and other neighbors.

Washington and Manila agreed on joint patrols in the South China Sea before Duterte's election win this year, and a Pentagon spokesman said earlier this month three had been conducted from March until July.
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Jeff Head

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solarz said:
Looks like the Philippines is doing a little pivot of their own:
"I am serving notice now to the Americans, this will be the last military exercise," Duterte told a gather of the Filipino community in Hanoi

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Hefty words.

I guess we will see at the next election...if he follows through with this...what the Filipino people think of it.
 
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