South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

Not as sexy or lethal as UUVs but more advanced militarization on the way.
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Politics|Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:21am EDT
U.S. to give Philippines eye in sky to track South China Sea activity

The United States will transfer an observation blimp to the Philippines to help it track maritime activity and guard its borders amid rising tensions in the South China Sea, a U.S. diplomat said on Monday.

Philip Goldberg, U.S. ambassador to the Philippines, said Washington would give Manila, its oldest Asia-Pacific security ally, $42 million worth of sensors, radar and communications equipment.

"We will add to its capability to put sensors on ships and put an aerostat blimp in the air to see into the maritime space," Goldberg said in an interview with CNN Philippines,

The blimp is a balloon-borne radar to collect information and detect movements in the South China Sea, a Philippine military official said.

China claims almost the entire South China Sea, believed to have huge deposits of oil and gas. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims to parts of the waters, through which about $5 trillion in trade is shipped every year.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter visited the Philippines last week to reaffirm Washington's "ironclad" commitment to defend Manila under a 1951 security treaty.

China has been expanding its presence on its seven artificial islands in the Spratly archipelago and on Monday landed a military plane for the first time on one of them, Fiery Cross Reef.

It comes ahead of a planned U.S. freedom of navigation patrol this month near the Spratlys.

Carter's visit also signals the start of U.S. military deployment in the Philippines, with 75 soldiers to be rotated in and out of an air base north of Manila.

Goldberg said the two allies had agreed to set up a system for "secure and classified communications" as part of a five-year, $425 million security initiative by Washington in Southeast Asia.

Manila will receive some $120 million in U.S. military aid this year, the largest sum since 2000 when the American military returned to the Philippines for training and exercises after an eight-year hiatus.

They signed a new deal in 2013 allowing increased U.S. military presence on a rotational basis and storage of supplies and equipment for maritime security and humanitarian missions.

(Reporting By Manuel Mogato; Editing by Martin Petty and Nick Macfie)

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joshuatree

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Not as sexy or lethal as UUVs but more advanced militarization on the way.
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I don't want to bold the text but it won't allow me to unbold, will be reporting this as a potential forum software issue.

I would suggest cutting and pasting the quote to something like Notepad, then recopying it from there. Usually, all bold, font, italic settings get removed from this process.

As for blimps, always felt it was an inexpensive means of providing localized 24/7 coverage. Useful especially in an environment where threat level for being shot down is low.
 

AndrewS

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Some questions about your drones.
How big are your imaginary drones and how deep does it dive?
You see communicating underwater is a difficult task in which at depth of 50m or below you'll need to transmit at ultra low frequency waves like the US using what's know as the Elephant cage and can only send about 5~10 bits or 5 to 10 letters a second.
Any shallower and it becomes much easier to detect with sonar since it is above the thermal layer.

At the moment most nations are not thinking about autonomous attack underwater drone due to the various difficulties and this goes with PLAN as well.

@SamuraiBlue

It's a generic analysis because there are so many possibilities in terms of size, depth, endurance, sensors, comms etc. It's not worth going into the details.

But to address your specific scenario, suppose a cheap unmanned mothership is on the surface, which provides power and comms to a tethered underwater drone. So the drone and mothership are completely silent and can connect to the command and control network via above surface radio.

Or that mothership is simply a tethered communications buoy.

Or you could have weaponised drones that are deployed from a Frigate, and receive sonar instructions from the VDS or from sonar pulses from other drones with a communications tether.

The possibilities are literally endless because of developments in AI and technology miniaturisation, which is why both the US navy and Chinese navy believe this is the future.

And both these countries are most certainly thinking about underwater attack drones. After all, in a wartime blockade situation, every ship becomes a legitimate target so there's no need to worry about drones killing innocent targets in the waters off Shanghai or San Francisco or Tokyo.
 

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More illegal fishing in the South China Sea ... I started tracking this to prove a point, but the frequency of occurrences is getting a bit ridiculous now.

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The Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) captured a Vietnamese fishing vessel with 14 crew members on April 17 accused of illegally fishing in waters off Tok Bali, Kelantan state.

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Vietnamese fishermen were captured on April 17 accused of illegal fishing in Malaysia

The vessel was detained by a MMEA patrol boat while fishing illegally about 75.6 nautical miles off the beach at 22:20, the New Straits Times quoted MMEA District 10 maritime director Nurul Hizam Zakaria as saying.

The agency seized one ton of fish and the boat valued at 2 million ringgits (510,000 USD), Nurul Hizam Zakaria told a press conference in Pasir Putih, adding that the skipper failed to produce valid documents.

The fishermen, aged from 23-58, will be remanded for 14 days beginning from April 18 for further investigation, he said.

Earlier, another Vietnamese boat with six fishermen was detained for fishing in Malaysian waters about 70 nautical miles from Kuala Kemaman.

None of the fishermen had proper documents or fishing permits.

The fishermen, from 18-50 years old, were detained while the boat and its equipment worth 200,000 ringgits (more than 51,000 USD) was confiscated.
 

Brumby

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South China Sea: White House Vs. PACOM
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According
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, at a National Security Council meeting on 18 March, National Security Advisor Susan Rice 'imposed a gag order on military leaders over the disputed South China Sea'. Its alleged aim was to "give Presidents Obama and Xi Jinping 'maximum political maneuvering space'...during the Global Nuclear Summit," held earlier this month. Yet, the White House's broader reason for muzzling its top brass — which Navy Times sources claim has happened before — was apparently to 'tamp down on rhetoric from [Admiral Harry] Harris and other military leaders,' which the administration believes has at times 'crossed the line into baiting the Chinese into hard-line positions'.

Whether an actual gag order was issued
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. Still, the incident is symptomatic of divergent policy preferences on the South China Sea that have been brewing between the White House and US Pacific Command since early 2015. The two sides favour opposing, if equally understandable, approaches to dealing with China's creeping strategic expansion. At its core, their debate turns on how muscular and public America's military, strategic, and diplomatic push-back should be. Both sides arguably have some merit and their approaches may be usefully combined to deter militarisation.

President Obama and his foreign policy team have generally favoured moderate diplomatic criticism and minimal operational push-back. The President
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for a 'halt to reclamation, new construction, and militarization' though, unlike Secretaries
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and
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, he has not directly criticised China for existing militarisation. Until last September, when a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing eventually
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, the White House prevented Pacific Command from conducting 'freedom of navigation' operations (FONOPS) within 12 miles of China's artificial outposts — and then
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'innocent passage' operations. Obama's rationale was probably
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that 'talking tough or engaging in [tangential]…military action' is '[not] going to influence the decision making of [China,]' and may in fact undermine attempts at diplomacy.

Instead, the administration
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on strategic efforts to balance China's actions by increasing America's forward military presence, strengthening its allies and partners' capabilities, and deepening security partnerships across the region. In all this, Obama's team has taken care to grant China diplomatic room to alter its behaviour without having to publicly succumb to overbearing American pressure, which has presumably been seen as politically untenable for China. This has included avoiding FONOPs and strong verbal rebukes in the run-up to major US-China meetings, which is where Rice's alleged 'gag order' fits into the equation.

By contrast, Pacific Command has adopted an openly critical stance towards China's island-building campaign and is known to favour a more muscular operational response. As early as March 2015, its outspoken chief, Admiral Harris, made international headlines
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China's 'Great Wall of Sand'. His rhetorical push-back has only hardened since then, culminating at a recent Senate Armed Services hearing where he
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'China seeks hegemony in East Asia. Simple as that'. According to many Washington insiders, Pacific Command and elements of the Pentagon have also been pushing for more confrontational FONOPs. Whereas his predecessor didn't press the White House for FONOP authorisation, Harris brought the issue to public attention and
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for FONOPs with a military component — like collecting intelligence or launching naval aviation — that are not bound by 'innocent passage' regulations. Last week, Senator John McCain, one of Harris' biggest supporters,
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by calling on Obama to 'increase the pace and scope' of the administration's FONOP program and 'consider having a carrier strike group patrol the waters near Scarborough Shoal in a visible display of US combat power.' For proponents of this more forceful approach, tepid American military push-back '
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continued expansion' and militarisation.

Which of these approaches is more likely to succeed? Is the White House's comparatively quiet public criticism and restrained naval operations really emboldening China? Would stronger push-back fare any better? Or might it fuel the crisis by driving China to act even more assertively?

Frustratingly, much of the evidence so far is mixed. On one hand, the administration's soft approach has patently failed to deter island-building or halt China's militarisation of Woody Island. But it has not yet presided over large-scale militarisation in the Spratly Islands or the creation of a South China Sea ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone). Why Beijing has not taken these steps is difficult to say, though there are a number of plausible explanations. Perhaps the White House's sustained focus on regional military balancing has led Beijing to conclude its actions are strategically counterproductive in the long-term. Equally plausible, however, is that Beijing intends to push these military initiatives forward once its outposts are completed, which hews closer
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of Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

On the other hand, there's no certainty that a more muscular approach would cause China to abandon its provocative activities. Although China has not seized on American FONOPs to spark maritime clashes or to double down on Spratly Islands militarisation (in contrast to its
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), it doesn't necessarily follow that China will remain subdued in the wake of more frequent or confrontational US patrols. In fact, informed Chinese analysts believe that 'non-innocent passage' patrols within 12 miles of the Spratlys would embolden PLA hardliners and lead, as China
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, to more assertive militarisation and forward force deployments. At the same time, the fact that Beijing itself has not broken the news over American FONOPs or US and Australian aerial patrols — all were revealed by Western media — raises the prospect that Beijing may have an incentive to demur in the face of muscular patrols that make it look weak, if these are quietly executed.

A combination of forceful and moderate push-back may have advantages. Strongly calling out China's creeping militarisation of the South China Sea, as Harris and others endorse, is needed to build international opposition to behaviour that will otherwise quietly alter the regional status quo. If Washington alongside other countries and global bodies, like the
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and
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, criticises China's actions directly, there is a chance reputational damage will cause Beijing to change course.
 

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If Washington alongside other countries and global bodies, like the
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and
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, criticises China's actions directly, there is a chance reputational damage will cause Beijing to change course.

IF Washington depends on this world wide criticism on China to maintain that status quo, than they are in trouble. Heck the rest of the world didn't even follow the US advice on NOT to join China led AIIB. That tells you how desperate Washington is, therefore in need of the help from the media (soft power) to get enough people to rile up against China's action in the SCS. The problem is not too many people care about it because there is no lost of lives lives affected due to the dispute with the other players, yet. In order to be effective the situation has to be dire in order to get the world's attention for action, for example the Ukraine turmoil or the Middle East refugee crisis.
 

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Another new organization has been created to push an agenda with regard China's actions in the South China Sea. This new organization, The
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, is chaired by Dennis Blair, former US admiral and Director of National Intelligence. The Maritime Awareness Project is backed by the Sasakawa Peace Foundation. What's the Sasakawa Peace Foundation?

This is a picture of Dennis Blair and Shinzo Abe attending a presser backed by the Sasakawa Peace Foundation - that rising sun over water logo is the Sasakawa Peace Foundation logo.
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If you check out his comments in various publications, you'll find that Blair is uncomfortably close to the Japanese, especially for someone who once held titles of his stature.

In fact, others have raised serious questions concerning his relationship to the Sasakawa Peace Foundation:
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(Benjamin Fulford) Sometimes you have to see things to believe them. Today, I got the name card of Dennis Blair, former US Director of National Intelligence (overseeing all US intelligence agencies) and former Commander in Chief of US Pacific Forces. It says he is now Chairman of the Board and CEO of the Sasakawa Peace Foundation USA. In other words, he works for Yohei Sasagawa, a man multiple Japanese Yakuza gangster sources have told this writer is a fellow gangster. Here is a link to a declassified CIA report about his father Ryoichi Sasagawa:

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Here is a quote from a well-researched book about the Yakuza

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So there you have it, US top brass retiring into Yakuza fronts. Blair was speaking at the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan where he dutifully rolled out the current Washington D.C. party line for the corporate propaganda press. This writer was repeatedly denied an opportunity to ask Blair a question so we will post our question here:

“Mr. Blair, you work for Yohei Sasagawa, a man who creates money out of thin air by fraudulently claiming it is backed by legendary treasures hidden in Indonesian and Philippine caves. Unfortunately your European allies and most of the rest of the world no longer believe the stories of Sasagawa and his fellow gangsters and are building an alternative financial system. My question to you is ‘at what point are you people going to accept reality and agree to renegotiate the international geopolitical and financial architecture to reflect current world demographic and economic reality?’”

My follow up question was to be “The United States Constitution clearly states that the power to create money belongs to the government of the people of the United States so at what point is the US military going to keep its oath to protect the constitution by nationalizing the Federal Reserve Board and freeing the American people from debt slavery?”

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Getting back to the world as described by Blair, he does note the best friend the US government now has is Japan, or as he put it, “Japan is one of the few countries in sync,” with the US. The US side is pushing Japan to pass laws that will in effect allow the pentagon to integrate its forces with the Japanese army as the lynchpin to their “pivot to Asia.”

Another article on the Sasakawa Peace Foundation
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The Sasakawa Peace Foundation is a major think tank in Washington that often organizes or sponsors Japan-related seminars and conferences. It is considered the Washington office of the Nippon Foundation in Tokyo, which was once called the Sasakawa Foundation. The Nippon Foundation was established by Ryoichi Sasakawa, who was jailed for three years as a Class A war criminal in World War II and donated his money earned from his rowing business. Although it is a non-profit grant-making organization, it follows the ideas of Kishi Nobusuke, an extreme right-wing politician and the grandfather of current Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

They do have some recently published images from the
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that I haven't found elsewhere.

However, when you see articles and analysis in the future coming from the Maritime Awareness Project, you should take that with a grain of salt.
 

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Looks like the US sent two HH-60Gs and four A-10C Thunderbolt IIs on a mission around Scarborough Shoal on the 19th, and are planning to continue these missions over the next several weeks. They must really believe that reclamation of Scarborough is going to happen soon.

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The aircraft are part of the newly stood up Air Contingent here conducting operations ranging from air and maritime domain awareness, personnel recovery, combating piracy, and assuring all nations have access to air and sea domains throughout the region in accordance with international law.

The A-10s and HH-60s conducted a flying mission through international airspace in the vicinity of Scarborough Shoal west of the Philippines providing air and maritime situational awareness. These missions promote transparency and safety of movement in international waters and airspace, representing the U.S. commitment to ally and partner nations and to the Indo-Asia-Pacific region’s continued stability now and for generations to come.

“Our job is to ensure air and sea domains remain open in accordance with international law. That is extremely important, international economics depends on it – free trade depends on our ability to move goods,” said Col. Larry Card, Commander of the Air Contingent. “There’s no nation right now whose economy does not depend on the well-being of the economy of other nations.”

The A-10 missions enhance the U.S. military assets in the region upholding freedom of navigation and over flight.

“We are out here and we’re going to do the best we can to achieve the mission; there is no doubt in my mind we will be successful,” Card said.

That success is achieved in part by the close partnership held between the U.S. and Philippine militaries. The two countries’ air and ground forces maintain a close bilateral bond through consistent military exercises
“Interoperability with the Philippine military is at the forefront of our mission,” Card said. “The standup of the Air Contingent promotes this collective focus as we build upon our already strong alliance, and reaffirm our commitment to the Indo-Asia-Pacific region.”

Card said it takes more than just aircraft to accomplish this feat, however, as he explained the critical role his Airmen play in this mission’s overall success.

“Our Airmen are the top. I’ve worked with the majority of these guys for the last month already and they’ve excelled; they’ve blown me away with their ability to generate air power and I expect nothing less as we move into this next phase.”

All personnel in this first deployment are Air Force Airmen assigned to various Pacific Air Forces bases, and include aircrew, maintainers, logistics and support personnel.

“I have a lot of pride in our Airmen; and their ability to quickly understand a mission they’re not accustomed to and within minutes be motivated and execute that mission is truly phenomenal,” the colonel said. These Airmen truly are the best of the best.”

U.S. Pacific Command plans this first iteration of the Air Contingent mission to last for the next several weeks. Future Air Contingent deployments will be fulfilled with various platforms and personnel from either Air Force or other service components.

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A U.S. Air Force HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter, with the 33rd Rescue Squadron, Kadena Air Base, Japan, flies overhead after taking off from Clark Air Base, Philippines, April 19, 2016. Two HH-60Gs and four A-10C Thunderbolt IIs, with the 51st Fighter Wing, Osan Air Base, Republic of Korea, took off today marking the first mission in a several week long deployment.

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Two U.S. Air Force HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopters, with the 33rd Rescue Squadron, Kadena Air Base, Japan, return to Clark Air Base, Philippines, April 19, 2016, after flying their first operational mission in the region.

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A U.S. Air Force A-10C Thunderbolt II, with the 51st Fighter Wing, Osan Air Base, Republic of Korea, takes off from Clark Air Base, Philippines, April 19, 2016. The A-10Cs flew as part of a newly stood up Air Contingent in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region. The air contingent will promote interoperability and provide greater and more transparent air and maritime situational awareness to ensure safety for military and civilian activities in international waters and airspace

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Four U.S. Air Force A-10C Thunderbolt IIs, with the 51st Fighter Wing, Osan Air Base, Republic of Korea, fly overhead after returning from their first mission out of Clark Air Base, Philippines, April 19, 2016.

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