South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

Blackstone

Brigadier
The Oyashio, Setogiri, Ariake, and now the Ise - that's over 25,000 tons: Japan's certainly sending a message with its latest deployment to the South China Sea.
Not much more than optics for PR purposes, and not even credible PR because it lacks substance. JN's forays into the SCS lack credibility for seven major reasons;
  1. Japan's commercial trade through the SCS isn't threatened, in peacetime
  2. Japan isn't foolish enough to start a fight with no realistic hope of winning
  3. Conflicts in SCS can't and likely wouldn't be limited to the SCS
  4. Once it starts, there's no clear ending in sight that net benefits Japan
  5. The American people wouldn't support a great power war that's started not by Beijing, but by Tokyo. Frankly, I doubt even neocons/neolibs would, but I'm less certain about that
  6. The chance of Japan fighting China in the SCS for Vietnam and Philippines is minute, near zero
  7. Other regional states wouldn't ally with Japan in conflicts Tokyo started, not even Vietnam and Philippines
If Japan really wants to play hardball, it should send one or two LHD action groups (helo carring destroyers???) with the next USN carrier battle group FONOP. Now, that would be the kind of serious optics neocons/neolibs wet dream about. Of course, it might also cause Beijing to pile on more sand and prepare in earnest for surf 'n' turf parties.
 

Janiz

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Not much more than optics for PR purposes, and not even credible PR because it lacks substance. JN's forays into the SCS lack credibility for seven major reasons;
You don't know what's the purpose of this exercise, don't you? It's about showing Filipino's how you do ASW. That's why they sent a real sub and such thing as JS Ise which is very powerfull tool together with two destroyers.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
You don't know what's the purpose of this exercise, don't you? It's about showing Filipino's how you do ASW. That's why they sent a real sub and such thing as JS Ise which is very powerfull tool together with two destroyers.
Philippines doesn't today, nor will they have in my lifetime credible ASW capability against even Vietnam's six Kilos, let alone China. That's so even if the USN sent a dozen LHD/As to show them tricks of the trade. Japan's LHD is optics for PR and nothing more, and if leaders in Tokyo and Manila actually believed otherwise, then both Capitals have even bigger problems.
 

confusion

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Not much more than optics for PR purposes, and not even credible PR because it lacks substance. JN's forays into the SCS lack credibility for seven major reasons;

I disagree. This is the initial foray of Japan into the the South China Sea after the passing of new laws relaxing restrictions on its military. For a nation that had been, up until now, reluctant to partake in military adventurism, this is a big step up, and paves the way for future joint action with the US and other allies in the SCS.

Japan views China antagonistically. With this mindset then, strategically, it makes sense for Japan to be involved in the SCS, as putting pressure on China in the SCS makes it easier for Japan to deal with China in the East China Sea. Unlike the US, Japan will have much more vested interest and staying power in trying to resist China's rise in the SCS.

Japan will try to act as the backbone of support for the other claimants in the SCS, especially in light of the capricious nature of US support. Japan want the other claimants in the SCS to resist China as much as possible. It's not about direct military conflict - it's about deterrence and making it expensive or difficult for China to dominate the SCS.
 

confusion

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The US is using the Southeast Asia Maritime Security Initiative (MSI) to counter China in the SCS. With the paltry amount of money involved, it won't make any difference, but it's nevertheless interesting to see how the money is being distributed.

Distribution of funds:
Total allocation in 2016: $49.72 million
Philippines: $41 million
Malaysia: $3 million
Vietnam: $2 million
Indonesia: $2 million
Thailand: $1 million

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After a customary a two-week congressional notification period, U.S. officials have released the first year of funds for the five-year, $425 million dollar Southeast Asia Maritime Security Initiative (MSI), which involves five main ASEAN states – Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam – along with Singapore, Brunei and Taiwan, and aims to improve the ability of these countries to address a range of maritime challenges, including China’s growing assertiveness in the South China Sea

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Vietnam, The Diplomat understands, is expected to get a larger share of MSI funding next year.

“I expect that relationship to continue to deepen,” a U.S. official told The Diplomat.

The total for the Philippines is actually $120 million.
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Philippines gets U.S. military aid boost amid South China Sea dispute
MANILA--The United States has allocated more than $120 million in military aid to the Philippines this year, the biggest in about 15 years, a senior Filipino diplomat said on Friday, amid rising tension with China over the disputed South China Sea.

Jose Cuisia, Manila's ambassador to Washington, said Manila was also in talks with the United States to acquire a fourth Hamilton-class cutter to strengthen the Philippine capability to patrol the waters.

"We got the largest-ever allocation from the U.S. government this year to enhance defense and security of our country," he told members of the American Chamber of Commerce in Manila.

Cuisia said Manila received $79 million in annual military aid this year compared to about $50 million in 2015.

He said Manila would get an additional $42 million from the new U.S. Southeast Asia Maritime Initiative, a maritime capacity-building program announced by U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter, who is visiting Manila next week.

The two amounts represent the biggest amount of military aid since 2000 when the U.S. military returned to its former colony after the American bases closed in 1992.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
The US is using the Southeast Asia Maritime Security Initiative (MSI) to counter China in the SCS. With the paltry amount of money involved, it won't make any difference, but it's nevertheless interesting to see how the money is being distributed.

Distribution of funds:
Total allocation in 2016: $49.72 million
Philippines: $41 million
Malaysia: $3 million
Vietnam: $2 million
Indonesia: $2 million
Thailand: $1 million

The total for the Philippines is actually $120 million.
Contrast the amounts above to the list below for a reality check.

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The top five recipients of foreign military financing in 2014, according to the report:
1. Israel: $3.1 billion
2. Egypt: $1.3 billion
3. Iraq: $300 million
3. Jordan: $300 million
5. Pakistan: $280 million
What also stands out from the report is the
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-- the
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(64%) and
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(23%) account for 86% of all U.S. foreign military financing last year.
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confusion

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Deconstructing another Western media piece on the South China Sea:

This piece from the Washington Post attempts to present a 'fair' view by presenting views from various fishermen from different countries.
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As Asian countries jostle for territory in the South China Sea, one Filipino fisherman is taking a stand.

He has faced down Chinese coast guard rifles, and even engaged in a stone-throwing duel with the Chinese last month that shattered two windows on his outrigger.

“They’ll say, ‘Out, out of Scarborough,’” Renato Etac says, referring to Scarborough Shoal, a rocky outcropping claimed by both the Philippines and China. He yells back, “Where is the document that shows Scarborough is Chinese property?”

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Renato Etac has had dozens of encounters with Chinese ships.

More than once, a small team of Chinese coast guardsmen on a rubber boat approached his boat and pointed their rifles at him, but he says he knew they would not fire and risk starting a war.

At other times, the Chinese will surge as if to hit his boat, but the 37-year-old fisherman uses his keen knowledge of Scarborough Shoal — where he has fished for Spanish mackerel, trevally and grouper since he was a teenager — to outmaneuver them.

Etac says he just wants to defend his livelihood in waters that used to be open to all. China took control of Scarborough Shoal in 2012 after a two-month standoff with Philippine government ships. It sits about 230 kilometers (145 miles) west of the Philippines, and 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) from the Chinese coast.

“It’s like quarreling, like playing games,” he says. “Yelling, dirty finger, everything’s there. Sometimes I use expletives in different dialects and I get to laugh when I see them, because they don’t understand what I’m saying.”

He enjoys what he calls the territorial “debates” in the high seas, though his earnings from a weeklong fishing expedition have dropped by more than half to 3,000 pesos ($63), because of both the Chinese disruptions and competition.

“He’s like the guardian of Scarborough, sir,” said Greggy Etac, a relative and a fellow fisherman. “I used to sail with him, but now, I’m scared.”

The most curious aspect is the 'fisherman' chosen to represent the Philippines in the story, Renato Etac. He's responsible for every single photo provided by the Philippines in this piece: 7 pics in total, ranging from Feb. 20, 2015 to March 28, 2016 (
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His pictures have been used by the AP multiple times in other sources: here's one from Feb 27, 2015 (
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l). Here's one from March 28, 2016 (
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) Amazingly, they both share the same caption: "More than once, Chinese coast guardsmen approached Etac's boat and pointed their rifles at him, but he says he knew they would not fire and start a war." - this line, which appears in Feb 27, 2015, is, again, repeated in the story published above, which was published on Apri 8, 2016, a story published more than a year later! At best, this is extremely lazy journalism.

Here's another story on Scarborough Reef featuring our beleaguered fisherman, this time from the New York Times published in Sep 2015.
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“The fight hasn’t even started yet, and it looks like the Philippines government has already surrendered,” said Renato Etac, 35, a fishing boat captain who says Chinese vessels there routinely chase and try to ram his ship. “I can’t even count the Chinese ships I see, there are so many.”

The Western media is, in multiple articles, relying almost exclusively on one 'source' and then try to pass him off as an everyman fisherman that's a victim of Chinese aggression. This source, from his quotes, also just happens to be fervently anti-Chinese. Is there truly no agenda or bias from the Western media when it comes to reporting on the SCS?

Part 2, the lack of attention paid by the Western media to Vietnamese aggression in the SCS (from the same Washington Post story mentioned above):
“Now, they are not only fishing in the South China Sea, but have also broken into our territorial waters,” Hong says, standing by his boat in the southern Taiwan port of Donggang, which looks out on the Taiwan Strait.

His boat was surrounded last November by a group of Vietnamese fishing boats in waters off Taiwan, presumably for the purpose of robbing him. He managed to give them the slip and called the Taiwanese coast guard for help. The Vietnamese boats had dispersed by the time help arrived.

“Taiwanese fishermen don’t have any weapons,” Hong says. “Once they board our boats, there’s nothing we can do. We would be detained and we have to pay for our release.”

Coupled that another story on illegal Vietnamese fishing that's not covered by the Western media:
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Royal Thai Navy says 11 Vietnamese fishing vessels and 102 fishermen aboard were arrested between April 3 and 7 for violating Thailand’s waters, the Vietnam News Agency reported on Thursday.

The announcement was made at a press conference in Bangkok on Thursday morning, following the April 5 apprehension of five Vietnamese boats and their 37 seamen for allegedly fishing in the country’s exclusive economic zone.

On April 3, five other Vietnamese boats and 47 fishermen were captured in Thai waters for similar reasons.

Time and time again, it's clear that there is ample evidence to write a story about Vietnamese fishermen misconduct in the SCS, but this story is always convenienty ignored. They cobble together various incidents to write up a story on the China threat, but never do the same when it comes to Vietnam.
 

confusion

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As Renato Etac knows well, the Chinese CG will not fire at foreign fisherman. "More than once, Chinese coast guardsmen approached Etac's boat and pointed their rifles at him, but he says he knew they would not fire and start a war."

However, this only serves to highlight the double standard applied to China vs other nations.

The Indonesian Coast Guard appears to have a policy of shoot-first, ask questions later. They shot at the Taiwanese fishermen performing a true FON passage through the Straits of Malacca, and shot at the Chinese fishermen involved in the recent incident at Natunas. Unsurprisingly, there's hardly a mention of this fact, and the information is only barely mentioned in passing in this New York Times article:
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Harrowing Trip for Chinese Trawler Before Bump in Territorial Tensions
As the noontime sun was beating down on the fishing boat, and the crew was on deck cleaning the fishing nets of debris from the sea, someone called, “ ‘A gunboat is coming,’ ” Mr. Zhang said.

“It took them about 30 minutes to get near,” he said. “I heard two shots — ‘pa, pa’ — and the sound of their vessel knocking on our ship. Their boat was too small to crash into a large ship like ours. Soon I heard more intensified shooting.”

Ms. Pudjiastuti, the fisheries minister, said the men on the vessel had been lightly armed.

Just imagine the outrage from the Western press if the Chinese coast guard had shot preemptively at fishermen from other nations.

Compare the Indonesia coast guard's actions vs the Chinese coast guard's restraint in the Scarborough Shoals, where the Filipino fishermen were armed with fire bombs. If the same standards are applied to both nations, the Chinese coast guard would have been justified, under Indonesia reasoning, to shoot at the Filipino fishermen.
 

Brumby

Major
Compare the Indonesia coast guard's actions vs the Chinese coast guard's restraint in the Scarborough Shoals, where the Filipino fishermen were armed with fire bombs. If the same standards are applied to both nations, the Chinese coast guard would have been justified, under Indonesia reasoning, to shoot at the Filipino fishermen.
Except you are conveniently ignoring that those locations are located within the EEZ of both the Philippines and Indonesia respectively. They are exercising their jurisdictional rights. Why is China's CG doing in those places? Oh yes ..... that pesky nine dash again.
 

Brumby

Major
Developing a Scarborough Contingency Plan
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U.S. chief of naval operations Admiral John Richardson
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on March 19 that the United States was monitoring increased Chinese activity around Scarborough Shoal. He warned, “I think we see some surface ship activity … survey type of activity … That’s an area of concern … a next possible area of reclamation.”

Satellite imagery from March 24 shows no Chinese dredging or construction activity at Scarborough Shoal. The only vessels present were a Chinese civilian ship anchored within the mouth of the lagoon, which has been typical for several years, and two Filipino trimaran-type fishing ships outside the shoal. But that does not mean that Chinese ships have not performed surveys in preparation for reclamation, as Admiral Richardson suggested.

Why Scarborough Shoal?

Given that Beijing is expected to lose at least
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that Manila has brought against it in the Permanent Court of Arbitration, China might take action to demonstrate that it will not be constrained by the court’s decision. Potential escalations include re-imposing a blockade of Filipino troops stationed at Second Thomas Shoal, deploying military assets to the Spratly Islands, or announcing an air defense identification zone over the South China Sea—but undertaking reclamation work at Scarborough Shoal would be particularly concerning.

Scarborough Shoal lies about 120 nautical miles from the main Philippine island of Luzon and 185 nautical miles from Manila. It is situated in an otherwise empty area of the South China Sea more than 250 nautical miles from each of the region’s two disputed island groups, the Paracels to the northwest and the Spratlys to the southwest. Were China to undertake reclamation at Scarborough, it would allow the Chinese military to maintain a presence throughout the South China Sea and even extend its reach over parts of the Philippine home islands. That would have enormous strategic implications for both the Philippines and the United States, which just negotiated U.S. access to five Philippine bases under the
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Concerning Consequences

Chinese land reclamation at Scarborough Shoal would present the Philippines and the United States with multiple challenges. From a security perspective, it would undermine perceptions of U.S. willingness to uphold regional security. This is particularly true because the Philippines lost access to Scarborough in 2012 after a failed U.S. effort to negotiate a mutual Chinese and Philippine withdrawal. An airfield or port at Scarborough would strengthen Chinese military capabilities in and around the South China Sea, as well as complicate U.S., ally, and partner planning for a crisis.

Reclamation at Scarborough would also carry enormous ecological costs. The arbitral tribunal will likely declare that the environmental devastation China caused with its reclamation in the Spratlys violated international law. Undertaking new reclamation at Scarborough would be another sign that Beijing is thumbing its nose at the court and the existing rules-based order more broadly.

From a diplomatic perspective, Scarborough reclamation might also be the final nail in the coffin for ASEAN’s stuttering efforts to diplomatically manage regional tensions. In the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, the ASEAN states and China explicitly agreed to refrain from only one thing: “inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features.” Reclamation at Scarborough would violate that cardinal rule; it would be a signal to the region that Beijing’s negotiations with ASEAN were a smokescreen—one which it no longer needs.

Crafting an Effective Response

Although Washington and Manila face constraints in responding to this type of “grey zone” tactic—in which China seeks to change the status quo without overt use of force, often employing civilian or paramilitary vessels—a coordinated three-part strategy could potentially deter reclamation. The security, environmental, and diplomatic costs of reclamation at Scarborough necessitate such a response.

The first step in countering Chinese reclamation is to ensure that Washington and Manila are sharing intelligence on potential Chinese actions. China’s preference has been to take advantage of regional states’ poor maritime domain awareness capabilities by presenting them with faits accomplis. Admiral Richardson’s statement to Reuters indicates that the United States is keeping a close eye on Scarborough Shoal, but statements from Philippine officials suggest they might not be briefed on U.S. intelligence. Both sides must not only collect intelligence, but share that information in order to response appropriately at the first sign of imminent reclamation.

The second key to a successful deterrence posture needs to be clearly communicated beforehand: the United States should state publicly that it will consider itself bound to intervene if Philippine troops or ships are attacked at Scarborough Shoal or other areas of the South China Sea. Article V of the U.S.-Philippines defense treaty commits the United States to respond to any attack on Philippine “armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.” That means the United States can, and should, remain neutral on the legitimacy of Manila’s territorial claims while still clarifying that any unprovoked attack on Philippine forces in disputed waters or territory would fall within the scope of the treaty commitment.

Filipinos have been looking for that kind of explicit commitment from Washington for several years, and the U.S. government’s refusal to give it has created an undercurrent of skepticism in the Philippines about just how “
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” the American commitment really is. When he visits Manila in April, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter will have an opportunity to put those fears to rest. Doing so, and being willing to follow through if that commitment is challenged, is key to bolstering Philippine resolve to confront China in grey zone incidents, and to deterring China from escalating incidents into open conflict.

The final and most difficult step to blocking Chinese reclamation at Scarborough Shoal will be having Philippine assets prepared to intervene at short notice. Despite the severe gaps in its naval and coast guard capabilities, the Philippines, not the United States, must take the lead in confronting Chinese activities at Scarborough. The shoal includes several rocks that entitle it to a territorial sea. Sending a U.S. naval vessel into the territorial sea of a disputed feature in the absence of any use of force by China would violate (or at least seriously muddy) the very international laws and norms that the United States is looking to uphold. Even if successful in blocking Chinese reclamation, such a U.S. operation would be a Pyrrhic victory.

Instead, the best chance to stop land reclamation at Scarborough Shoal would be through the use of Philippine assets, with the United States just outside the territorial sea. The Philippines should be prepared to send assets—likely several smaller coast guard vessels and at least one of the Hamilton-class cutters its navy received from the United States—to prevent Chinese reclamation at the shoal. Doing so would not require overt aggression from the Philippine ships—blocking the entrance to the shoal or maneuvering to interfere with the operation of dredging ships could make a reclamation operation prohibitively difficult. In the meantime, U.S. Navy assets would need to remain in position over the horizon to signal that they would be prepared to intervene should China attack Philippine forces.

Despite its bullying and coercion, Beijing has been hesitant to risk a military clash, especially with the United States, but also with its neighbors. The key to a successful response, as shown by Vietnam during the Haiyang Shiyou 981 standoff or the Philippines when it ran a Chinese blockade of Second Thomas Shoal in early 2014, has been to force Beijing to choose between achieving its aims with force or backing off and trying again another day.
 
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