South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

Janiz

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The overwhelming majority of the fishing boats seized come from Vietnam and the Philippines, yet, you never hear a peep in the Western media about their fishermen's illegal activities.
I have a compelling feeling that those countries don't interrupt Indonesian CG during towing those boats unlike a certain country. That might be the difference...

...but you can blame it 'Western' hypocrisy if that will make you feel better. Oh, and I didn't know that Indonesian newspapers are part of the big, western conspiracy theory to protest against it.
 

joshuatree

Captain
I have a compelling feeling that those countries don't interrupt Indonesian CG during towing those boats unlike a certain country. That might be the difference...

...but you can blame it 'Western' hypocrisy if that will make you feel better. Oh, and I didn't know that Indonesian newspapers are part of the big, western conspiracy theory to protest against it.

To play devil's advocate, even factoring in controversial CCG action, there's no way the CCG could have prevented 50+ vessels (Vietnam's share of blown up boats by Indonesia).

Actually, Indonesian newspapers do report all the count. But it is true you hardly hear a peep from CNN, Fox, BBC, etc etc, regarding other SE Asian countries' illegal fishing vessels if the word "Chinese" is not involved. Let me be clear, there isn't a good guy and bad guy, just varying shades of gray. But a media war is certainly being waged whether some of us want to admit it or not. And the less objective things are portrayed, the more entrenched opposing sides will be.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I have a compelling feeling that those countries don't interrupt Indonesian CG during towing those boats unlike a certain country. That might be the difference...
I'm not sure what positive outcomes the CCG cutter captain was trying to achieve by ramming the Chinese fishing boat under tow. If he or she thought the ICG vessel committed an unlawful action, while in its own EEZ, s/he should have communicated that and documented the incident for diplomats to resolve. Creating international incidents doesn't improve China's position in the region, and makes it harder for all sides to step back and lower tensions.
 

joshuatree

Captain
I'm not sure what positive outcomes the CCG cutter captain was trying to achieve by ramming the Chinese fishing boat under tow. If he or she thought the ICG vessel committed an unlawful action, while in its own EEZ, s/he should have communicated that and documented the incident for diplomats to resolve. Creating international incidents doesn't improve China's position in the region, and makes it harder for all sides to step back and lower tensions.

My opinion on this is that Indonesia's PR campaign with blowing up other country's fishing vessels factored heavily in CCG's response which is why they made the interception before the tow reached territorial waters. Does that mean the move was a good one? No, but perhaps to them at the time, the interception and fallout from it was the better outcome than having a Chinese vessel blown up in public. A weak spot with the Chinese govt, and most other Asian govts, is that it doesn't know how to handle negative spotlights very well.
 

confusion

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Actually, this story is another perfect example of Western media coverage of China.

...but you can blame it 'Western' hypocrisy if that will make you feel better. Oh, and I didn't know that Indonesian newspapers are part of the big, western conspiracy theory to protest against it.

Take a look at how the WSJ spins this story. The WSJ uses this story as another excuse to bash China and play the China threat card, yet China had zero involvement in this incident!

There is actually another story here if you actually make it to the end of the article - there's a small tidbit about 5 Vietnamese fishing vessels seized in Thailand. If the Western media were truly unbiased and unfair, the focus of their opprobrium should, more appropriately, be shifted to illegal fishing by Vietnamese fishermen. Yet, this story is never written; China always has to be written up as the primary aggressor.
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The move came two weeks after Jakarta criticized Beijing for alleged poaching by a Chinese fishing boat.

China’s increasingly forceful efforts to press its claims to most of the South China Sea have made Southeast Asian countries that depend on the area’s rich resources more protective of their domains. Countries in the region are stepping up efforts to punish maritime incursions while investing in added muscle for their navies and coast guards.

“It’s become increasingly clear that Chinese incursion into neighboring countries’ waters, ostensibly for exploration of fisheries resources, is the new normal,” said Richard Javad Heydarian, a security expert at De La Salle University in Manila. “And clearly Malaysia, Indonesia and other historical fence-sitters have come to share the threat perceptions of more vocal countries like the Philippines and Vietnam.”

‘If there is an illegal fishing boat from America, we will also sink it’

On Monday, the Philippines kicked off annual military exercises with the U.S., while a Japanese naval flotilla, including a submarine, arrived in Subic Bay for separate drills with the Philippine navy.

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Other countries are following suit. On Saturday, Thailand seized five Vietnamese fishing boats accused of poaching in Thai waters in the Gulf of Thailand, which adjoins the South China Sea, and detained 48 crew. Vietnam last Thursday
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carrying fuel for fishing vessels assumed to be operating near the Vietnamese coast in the South China Sea.

And, if you think this linking is an accidental, one-time, thing, you'd be wrong. Here's another article that, amazingly, follows a similar line of reasoning. The Western media just can't pass up an opportunity to bash China, even if they're not involved in the incident in question.

This time, they start off with a misleading headline - who's the implied aggressor of this ridiculous headline and lead?

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Indonesia Sinks 23 Foreign Vessels After China Spat
Jakarta signals that its war on illegal fishing will continue unabated.
 
Some specifically military news:

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Indonesia to deploy Skyshield air defence system in South China Sea
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore- IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
05 April 2016

Key Points
  • Indonesia aims to deploy its latest air defence system on an island in the South China Sea
  • The plan represents yet another militarisation effort in the tense maritime region
The Indonesian Air Force (Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara, or TNI-AU) is preparing to deploy four units of a special forces ground corps known as the Korps Pasukan Khas (PASKHAS) on Pulau Natuna Besar, the largest of the Natuna Islands cluster in the South China Sea.

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The TNI-AU Oerlikon Skyshield air defence system on display in a parade at Surabaya in 2014. (IHS/Ridzwan Rahmat)

The units are equipped with the Rheinmetall-made Oerlikon Skyshield air defence system and will be stationed in the north of Pulau Natuna Besar and along the eastern coast of the TNI-AU's Ranai airbase.

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confusion

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A local Malaysia papers gives us some real numbers for illegal fishing in Malaysian waters in the South China Sea, and again, Vietnam tops the list for illegal fishing: out of 273 vessels arrested in Malaysia's SCS waters, 252 of them were Vietnamese!

Another SCS state, another with Vietnam topping the list for illegal fishing. Where's the Western media coverage of and outrage over illegal Vietnamese fishing vessels?

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Vietnamese vessels top offenders list in Malaysian waters



KUALA LUMPUR: The Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) patrols and carries out inspection on vessels that encroach Malaysian waters in the South China Sea.

Minister in Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Dr Shahidan Kassim in a Parliamentary written reply today, said MMEA has chased away 12 Chinese fishing boats in 2014.

Based on the statistics given on arrests made in the South China Sea, Shahidan said a total of 273 arrests were made from 2010 to February this year with foreign vessels from Vietnam recording the highest number of arrests (252).

He was replying to a question asked by Liew Chin Tong (DAP-Kluang) who had asked Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak to state the number of foreign vessels that have encroached the nation's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) in the South China Sea.

Liew had also asked about the number of arrests that had been made and the breakdown of foreign vessels by country and year.

(File Pic) Based on the statistics given on arrests made in the South China Sea, Minister in Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Dr Shahidan Kassim said a total of 273 arrests were made from 2010 to February this year with foreign vessels from Vietnam recording the highest number of arrests (252). Pix by Ramdzan Masiam
 

Brumby

Major
4-star admiral wants to confront China. White House says not so fast
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The U.S. military’s top commander in the Pacific is arguing behind closed doors for a more confrontational approach to counter and reverse China’s strategic gains in the South China Sea, appeals that have met resistance from the White House at nearly every turn.

Adm. Harry Harris is proposing a muscular U.S. response to China's island-building that may include launching aircraft and conducting military operations within 12 miles of these man-made islands, as part of an effort to stop what he has called the "Great Wall of Sand" before it extends within 140 miles from the Philippines' capital, sources say.

Harris and his U.S. Pacific Command have been waging a persistent campaign in public and in private over the past several months to raise the profile of China's land grab, accusing China outright in February of militarizing the South China Sea.
But the Obama administration, with just nine months left in office, is looking to work with China on a host of other issues from nuclear non-proliferation to an ambitious trade agenda, experts say, and would prefer not to rock the South China Sea boat, even going so far as to muzzle Harris and other military leaders in the run-up to a security summit.

“They want to get out of office with a minimum of fuss and a maximum of cooperation with China,” said Jerry Hendrix, a retired Navy captain and defense strategy analyst with the Center for a New American Security.

The White House has sought to tamp down on rhetoric from Harris and other military leaders, who are warning that China is consolidating its gains to solidify sovereignty claims to most of the South China Sea.
National Security Adviser Susan Rice imposed a gag order on military leaders over the disputed South China Sea in the weeks running up to the last week's high-level nuclear summit, according to two defense officials who asked for anonymity to discuss policy deliberations. China's president, Xi Jinping, attended the summit, held in Washington, and met privately with President Obama.

The order was part of the notes from a March 18 National Security Council meeting and included a request from Rice to avoid public comments on China's recent actions in the South China Sea, said a defense official familiar with the meeting readout.

In issuing the gag order, Rice intended to give Presidents Obama and Xi Jinping "maximum political maneuvering space" during their one-on-one meeting during the global Nuclear Summit held March 31 through April 1, the official said.

“Sometimes it’s OK to talk about the facts and point out what China is doing, and other times it's not,” the official familiar with the memo said. “Meanwhile, the Chinese have been absolutely consistent in their messaging.”

The NSC dictum has had a “chilling effect” within the Pentagon that discouraged leaders from talking publicly about the South China Sea at all, even beyond the presidential summit, according to a second defense official familiar with operational planning. Push-back from the NSC has become normal in cases where it thinks leaders have crossed the line into baiting the Chinese into hard-line positions, sources said.

Military leaders interpreted this as an order to stay silent on China's assertive moves to control most of the South China Sea, said both defense officials, prompting concern that the paltry U.S. response may embolden the Chinese and worry U.S. allies in the region, like Japan and the Philippines, who feel bullied.
China, which has been constructing islands and airstrips atop reefs and rocky outcroppings in the Spratly Islands, sees the South China Sea as Chinese territory. President Xi told Obama during their meeting at the nuclear summit that China would not accept any behavior in the disguise of freedom of navigation that violates its sovereignty, according
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. The two world leaders did agree to work together on nuclear and cyber security issues.

Experts say administrations often direct military leaders to tone down their rhetoric ahead of major talks, but the current directive comes at a difficult juncture. U.S. leaders are struggling to find an effective approach to stopping the island-building without triggering a confrontation.

The NSC frequently takes top-down control to send a coherent message, said Bryan Clark a former senior aide to Adm. Jon Greenert, the recently retired chief of naval operations. While serving as Greenert’s aide, Clark said the NSC regularly vetted the former CNO’s statements on China and the South China Sea.

Critics say the administration's wait-and-see approach to the South China Sea has failed, with the island-dredging continuing in full force.

“The White House’s aversion to risk has resulted in an indecisive policy that has failed to deter China’s pursuit of maritime hegemony while confusing and alarming our regional allies and partners,” said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, in a statement to Navy Times. “China’s increasingly coercive challenge to the rules-based international order must be met with a determined response that demonstrates America’s resolve and reassures the region of our commitment.”

When presented with the findings of this article, Harris declined to comment through a spokesperson. A spokesman for the chief of naval operations had no comment when asked about Harris' proposals and whether the CNO was supporting them.

An administration official said the Navy’s operations in the South China Sea are routine and that the administration often seeks to coordinate its message.

"While we're not going to characterize the results of deliberative meetings, it's no secret that we coordinate messaging across the inter-agency-on issues related to China as well as every other priority under the sun,” the official said.

The gag order has had at least one intended effect. The amphibious assault ship Boxer and the dock landing ship Harpers Ferry, both carrying the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit, steamed through the South China Sea in late March to little fanfare.

'The status quo has changed’

Meanwhile evidence is mounting that China aims to build another island atop the Scarborough Shoal, an atoll just 140 miles off the coast of the Philippines’ capital of Manila and well within the Philippines' 200-mile economic exclusion zone, that would extend China's claims. Chinese missile batteries and air-search radars there would put U.S. forces in the Philippines at risk in a crisis.
Harris and PACOM officials have been lobbying the National Security Council, Capitol Hill and Pentagon leaders to send a clear message that they won’t tolerate continued bullying of neighbors. Part of the approach includes more aggressive, frequent and close patrols of China's artificial islands, Navy Times has learned.
 

confusion

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The Oyashio, Setogiri, Ariake, and now the Ise - that's over 25,000 tons: Japan's certainly sending a message with its latest deployment to the South China Sea.

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For first time, Japan will send Ise destroyer into the South China Sea
The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) officially announced plans on Apr. 5 to send its Ise destroyer into the South China Sea.

The large helicopter-destroyer - actually a light aircraft carrier - is equipped with powerful anti-submarine patrol capabilities. While the ostensible purpose is participation in humanitarian training exercises led by the Indonesian Navy, the move also stands to provoke China, which has been on edge recently over US-Japan alliance pressures concerning the South China Sea.

Japan’s Maritime Staff Office - the equivalent of South Korea’s Navy Chief of Staff office - announced on Apr. 5 that the Ise would be dispatched to the 2016 Komodo multinational training exercise spearheaded by the Indonesian Navy, as well as an Indonesian naval review.

The Komodo Exercise, which begins on Apr. 12, will be staged in the waters around Padang, Sumatra, and involve training for humanitarian aid and disaster rescue operations. The Ise is to call at the Port of Subic in the Philippines, which is currently in a territorial dispute with China in the South China Sea, the Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper and other Japanese news outlets reported.

One reason the Ise’s visit to the South China Sea is drawing major attention is due to its unique capabilities. The massive destroyer measures 197 meters in length and 33 meters in width with a standard displacement of 13,950 tons, ranking it second in scale only to the 19,500-ton Izumo in the JMSDF. It is also capable of carrying up to 11 SH-60J/K Seahawk helicopters - which can be used to track enemy submarines - and operating up to four simultaneously.

Japanese news outlets said the Ise boasts the highest anti-submarine capabilities in the JSMDF.

The US is currently struggling with tracking of Chinese submarines traveling to the West Pacific across the deep waters of the South China Sea. For that reason, the first request it made to Japan now that the latter has gained the ability to exercise collective self-defense authority was to share in anti-submarine patrolling in the broad South China Sea area.

Japan had previously been cautious of such activities, citing the distance of more than 2,000 kilometers to the South China Sea from its JMSDF base in Naha, Okinawa. Further complicating operations in the South China Sea was the fact that its leading Japan Self-Defense Forces patrol aircraft, the P-3C and P-1, have respective cruising ranges of 6,600 km and 8,000 km.

But the problems could be solved all at once if light aircraft carriers like the Ise or Izumo are positioned in the South China Sea.

Another feature of the Ise is that its deck allows the arrival and departure of vertical take-off and landing aircraft. This means that if an emergency did occur in the US-Japan alliance, it could be used as a carrier for the US Marine MV-22 Osprey aircraft and the F-35B, considered a leading next-generation model.

This fact in particular may explain why fueling and ammunition supplies for aircraft readying for takeoff were added among the “rear support” functions permitted to the JSDF in the amended security laws that went into effect on Mar. 27. In other words, the Ise provides a means of literally integrating the US and Japanese armed forces.

By Gil Yun-hyung, Tokyo correspondent
 
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