Jura The idiot
General
... and for now is over as
U.S. Navy concludes South China Sea patrols
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South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)
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U.S. Navy concludes South China Sea patrols
Blackstone
Brigadier
I don't know what US policymakers expect to achieve with recent actions in the SCS. If it's to scare China into backing down, then the ploy has failed, because China shows no signs of backing down. If it's making friends and allies in the region feel safe, then confrontations with no end in sight will do the opposite. And if it's to rally the region against China, then Abbott's denial of Australia basing B1 bombers, Abe stopping base building in Okinawa, and Obama's failure to unite ASEAN in Sunnyland doomed that gambit. So, the question remains, what is US trying to achieve?
Re-establishing a US presence at Subic Bay, roping Japan into the SCS thereby grouping together China's ECS and SCS territorial disputes' opponents making resolution more difficult and probably more disadvantageous for China, and very loudly proclaiming the US will remain involved in the region are all something. I think it is unnecessarily hostile and a throwback to colonial gunboat diplomacy and divide and conquer but it does the job making sure everyone knows who's the boss and sticking around.
Blackstone
Brigadier
For clarity, are you saying US intentions with SCS and ECS actions is to double down on its primacy in Asia and refusing China co-leadership?
All the questions??? I think its rather obvious that everyone?? (possible exception Pakistan, and US haters), would prefer that China not build up disputed islands and reefs and fill them with weapons?? The US pivot is in response to China's aggressive expansion and deployment of forces in the SCS. While Australia and Japan go to great lengths to avoid offending China and becoming a target.
US is simply there to be a buffer, and to counter that intimidation with stability, and assurance to our allies in the region that we R a buffer. Its obvious that China will not be deterred from their mission to take control in the SCS, nor will the US be discouraged from their mission in light of that threat.
As long as everyone minds their manners, there is NO problem! I am certain that many of our allies are confident in the US, and many of our enemies wish we weren't there?? simple
SamuraiBlue
Captain
I hear after visiting the Philippines they are going through SCS to make a port call in Vietnam.
Two birds with one stone. How's that for freedom of navigation operations.
Two birds with one stone. How's that for freedom of navigation operations.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
So, anyone who doesn't share your interpretation is a US hater? Come on! You are better than that!
The question is, how has anything the US done so far done anything positive to prevent that? Cause and effect. US sends in Warships, China deploys weapons. USN FON has positively encouraged Chinese militarisation of the islands.
Nice party line rhetoric. Too bad facts and history prove its all BS.
Cause and effect. The US pivot started long before the disputes flared up. Indeed, it can be shown that the disputes flared up AFTER the US declared its pivot.
Those disputes are nothing new. They have been simmering for decades and nothing of note happened. US declares pivot with behind-the-scenes diplomatic manoeuvres and everything suddenly blows up. Suspicious no?
Doubly so since the sudden flare up to tensions provided the perfect justification and pretext for the pivot to the point where no one in the US is questioning the need for it.
So gunboat diplomacy is minding manners now? Wonder why the Brits are so miffed when the Russians fly bombers in international airspace near their home islands then?
And you are dead wrong when you say the enemies of the US wish you were not sticking your nose in the SCS. They positively love it! They wish you start a war down there so you would easy off on drone striking them.
China is not an enemy of the US, but elements within the US seems determined to change that. Don't be an unthinking puppet of those people who just want a new cold war to line their pockets with that sweet sweet military spending profits.
US pivot to Asia was announced in 2012. Now when did China's "aggressive" expansion of islands in SCS start?
In fact it's clear that it was the US that intimidated China first with its Pivot, to which China countered with its current SCS program.
So no, the US is not a stabilising factor in the SCS in its current environment. The SCS is unstable right now simply because of America's actions.