Should term limit for China's presidency remain the same, be extended, or eliminated?

AssassinsMace said:

Yeah that's the latest answer which I'm okay with but I saw one quote soon after it was announced from someone in Beijing having to explain the decision. No explanation needed.

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Who? Does he represent the government? Was he writing to explain China's actions to a foreign government or was he writing an article so that Chinese people reading know that the Western article's points are not valid?

AssassinsMace said:

Your hypothetical situation would be categorized as a Kim Jong Un response. It seems many members would have a problem with that.

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Well, firstly, Kim Jong Un isn't always wrong.

Secondly, you complain about Chinese weakness in trying to placate foreign concerns, then you don't like my response telling them to mind their own business. What the hell do you want to hear? LOL

Thirdly, this is not a government-level interaction; some Western papers wrote that they thought this is a terrible idea and some Chinese papers wrote back telling them to eat a sack of nuts. Officially, the US stance is that this is a Chinese domestic issue and not America's concern or place to judge, and the Chinese government of course, smiles to that. ()
US on China's Proposal to Scrap Term Limits: 'That's a Decision for China'

manqiangrexue said:

Who? Does he represent the government? Was he writing to explain China's actions to a foreign government or was he writing an article so that Chinese people reading know that the Western article's points are not valid?

Well, firstly, Kim Jong Un isn't always wrong.

Secondly, you complain about Chinese weakness in trying to placate foreign concerns, then you don't like my response telling them to mind their own business. What the hell do you want to hear? LOL

Thirdly, this is not a government-level interaction; some Western papers wrote that they thought this is a terrible idea and some Chinese papers wrote back telling them to eat a sack of nuts. Officially, the US stance is that this is a Chinese domestic issue and not America's concern or place to judge, and the Chinese government of course, smiles to that. (

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I have no idea who the official was. It could've been made up but the quote sounded typical. I never said that I didn't like your hypothetically. I can note the same thing in the other thread where people didn't like how I wanted China to respond more strongly. If China's responses are so genius, why are they still complaining of not getting what they want?

AssassinsMace said:

If China's responses are so genius, why are they still complaining of not getting what they want?

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Who is they and what do they want?

What do you want? China makes its own decisions, some Westerners will always say it is not right, China is not affected, and on March 5th, the CCP will vote on it as planned. Where in this do you see a problem? I don't understand what your point is.

I think the last paragraph of my last post summed up the official matters and we shouldn't be concerned about how bloggers or individual news outlets are reacting.

"Officially, the US stance is that this is a Chinese domestic issue and not America's concern or place to judge, and the Chinese government of course, smiles to that. ()
US on China's Proposal to Scrap Term Limits: 'That's a Decision for China'"

AssassinsMace said:

Well then they don't have to answer to Western criticism. If they don't give a crap, nothing needs to be said.

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Ahh...but it's an opportunity to provide another point of view in a criticism way for China. It's good opportunity to provide another narrative for the public to see and discuss.

Klon said:

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There are at least a hundred more articles about this.

I'm posting this to demonstrate that not everyone in China agrees with the proposal. It's impossible to know the extent of support/opposition without a poll or a referendum, but it's disingenuous to suggest that the Chinese public has welcomed the move when dissenting opinions are banned. From looking at English language forums, Chinese opinion also seems divided. See this thread,

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. It should be noted that these are largely nationalistic forums where many reflexively support the Chinese government, suggesting that dissatisfaction is more widespread among the general public.

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I expect literally every Western take on this to be negative. I expect them to find even 1 Chinese blogger who said that this is an apocalyptic situation and magnify that to look like the representative of the Chinese opinion. If that guy doesn't exist, they'll make him up. Western articles on this are completely meaningless.

It is true that there is censorship, but firstly, before the start of all this it's widely known that Xi enjoyed great support levels from the people. Of course if you argue that there was always censorship in which case there's just no way to do this; you'd have to wait for official polls. My opinion is that Xi does enjoy massive support, but the censors are there to ensure that small dissenting voices don't troll the issue and act like turds in the punch bowl.

From my personal interactions with Chinese people, I have seen overwhelming support for this move from men and a split between support and uncertainty from women (who admitted they didn't care much about politics). I've even played devil's advocate and asked them if they are worried that Xi would become tyrannical and refuse to pass his powers. They said they believed in the power of the CCP to collectively vote him off if that day came. The only people I've seen truly feel negative about this are Americanized Chinese who get their news from Western outlets, but they are not representative of the Chinese population. So, in light of the lack of official data, from my personal experience and reasoning, I'd say the support for this measure out-strips the dissent significantly.

For what my two cents might or might not be worth, I’ve always thought that seven years was the best duration for a single term for a head of state. Four or five years is just too little time to gauge an administration‘s policies success or failure. So I’m in the extend the term camp, as opposed to the remove the limitations camp.

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There are at least a hundred more articles about this.

I'm posting this to demonstrate that not everyone in China agrees with the proposal. It's impossible to know the extent of support/opposition without a poll or a referendum, but it's disingenuous to suggest that the Chinese public has welcomed the move when dissenting opinions are banned. From looking at English language forums, Chinese opinion also seems divided. See this thread,

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. It should be noted that these are largely nationalistic forums where many reflexively support the Chinese government, suggesting that dissatisfaction is more widespread among the general public.

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Don't know much about defence.pk. But one should never take any discussion about China on reddit seriously. It's a cesspool only good for laughs.

When consulting for a Chinese media company, I once met and asked a mid level Chinese official from Propaganda Department of CCP (中宣部) why reddit isn't banned like twitter or facebook? He told me that reddit is way too useful for fostering patriotism among Chinese citizens since it has tons of racist/bigoted china bashing. He said that reading about them would effectively dampen any enthusiasm and good will towards the west among Chinese since they will eventually be put off and angered by the arrogant attitude of average western reddit posters. It also helps to dispel the carefully created illusion that the west (mostly America) is a very welcoming and accepting place.

texx1 said:

Don't know much about defence.pk. But one should never take any discussion about China on reddit seriously. It's a cesspool only good for laughs.

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defence.pk is a military forum with many Chinese users. There are countless subreddits with different themes and perspectives; r/Sino is largely pro-China with mostly Chinese posters.

My relatives in the army and air force are saying support for Xi is extremely high in the military, and support for the extending ruling is just as high. And support for a leader with a military background like Xi is pretty much through the roof in the officer corps and soldiers alike.