Should China get su-35bm
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alright, from one of the Chinese sites on AL-41F1 on su-35bm:
It looks like the thrust of the engine is 14.5 kN
中新网11月14日电 据俄罗斯航空新闻网13日报道，由俄罗斯“苏霍伊”飞机设计局研制的新型苏-35多功能歼击机将装备代号为117C的新型航空发动机。
俄罗斯“土星”科学生产联合体科学技术中心副主任叶甫盖尼·马尔秋科夫11日表示，苏-35多功能歼击机将装备117C型发动机，该发动机为第五代航空发动机原型机，牵引力可达14.5吨，能够更好的支持苏-35的优秀气动布局。他表示，目前该型发动机已完成所有地面试验，第一阶段飞行试验也于日前成功完成，期间共进行了30次飞行试验。
马尔秋克指出，今年8月在莫斯科举行的“MAKS-2005”国际航空展览会上，俄“土星”科学生产联合体与“苏霍伊”飞机设计局以及乌法航空发动机科学联合体就研制新型发动机达成协议。根据计划，俄“苏霍伊”设计局将为C117项目投入40%的资金，而“土星”科学生产联合体与乌法发动机科学联合体每家将承担30%的资金。
俄“土星”科学生产联合体第一副总经理维克托·切普金表示，截止目前，安装第五代发动机原型的苏-27M型机已完成约30次飞行。切普金指出，最初时飞机上只安装了一台新型发动机和一台原始发动机，而后安装两台第五代航空发动机原型机，目前第一阶段试验计划已完全结束，取得了良好的结果，飞机将准备下一阶段飞行试验。
切普金指出，第五代航空发动机原型在设计上与安装在苏-27歼击上的AL-31F发动机非常相似，但事实上其是一种新型发动机，在建造过程中使用了AL-31F发动机的传动装置，同时借鉴了AL-41型发动机上的所有空气动力、强度、金属方面的成果。据称，AL-41发动机是为装备多功能前线歼击机。
俄航空专家表示，俄雷宾斯克“土星”科学生产联合体的第五代航空发动机将用于装备俄第五代战机。 据悉，新型发动机与现役苏式飞机上装备的发动机的主要差异是：装备有高压和低压涡轮机和新型风扇，使飞机具有更大的牵引力。
俄罗斯将于2006年开始生产试验型苏-35多功能歼击机。苏-35是俄罗斯“苏霍伊”飞机设计局在苏-27基础上发展的单座全天候战斗/ 攻击机，主要用于制空和对地攻击。该机为苏-27的高级发展型，改进了机体、发动机、机载设备和武器系统，可以根据攻击目标的不同完全自动地进行飞行模式和武器的控制，电传操纵系统由模拟式换成数字式，增加了前翼，采用三翼面气动布局。
苏-35型机上配备的相阵控雷达可发现和跟踪20个目标，同时攻击其中的8个目标。该机的最大武器外挂载荷为8000千克，可配备多种类型的机载武器，其中包括：1门30毫米GSH-30机炮(备弹150发)，R-27、R-40、R-60、R-73A和R-77空空导弹，KH-25ML、KH -25MP、KH-29T、KH-31和KH-59导弹等。(章田/雅龙)
It looks like the thrust of the engine is 14.5 kN
中新网11月14日电 据俄罗斯航空新闻网13日报道，由俄罗斯“苏霍伊”飞机设计局研制的新型苏-35多功能歼击机将装备代号为117C的新型航空发动机。
俄罗斯“土星”科学生产联合体科学技术中心副主任叶甫盖尼·马尔秋科夫11日表示，苏-35多功能歼击机将装备117C型发动机，该发动机为第五代航空发动机原型机，牵引力可达14.5吨，能够更好的支持苏-35的优秀气动布局。他表示，目前该型发动机已完成所有地面试验，第一阶段飞行试验也于日前成功完成，期间共进行了30次飞行试验。
马尔秋克指出，今年8月在莫斯科举行的“MAKS-2005”国际航空展览会上，俄“土星”科学生产联合体与“苏霍伊”飞机设计局以及乌法航空发动机科学联合体就研制新型发动机达成协议。根据计划，俄“苏霍伊”设计局将为C117项目投入40%的资金，而“土星”科学生产联合体与乌法发动机科学联合体每家将承担30%的资金。
俄“土星”科学生产联合体第一副总经理维克托·切普金表示，截止目前，安装第五代发动机原型的苏-27M型机已完成约30次飞行。切普金指出，最初时飞机上只安装了一台新型发动机和一台原始发动机，而后安装两台第五代航空发动机原型机，目前第一阶段试验计划已完全结束，取得了良好的结果，飞机将准备下一阶段飞行试验。
切普金指出，第五代航空发动机原型在设计上与安装在苏-27歼击上的AL-31F发动机非常相似，但事实上其是一种新型发动机，在建造过程中使用了AL-31F发动机的传动装置，同时借鉴了AL-41型发动机上的所有空气动力、强度、金属方面的成果。据称，AL-41发动机是为装备多功能前线歼击机。
俄航空专家表示，俄雷宾斯克“土星”科学生产联合体的第五代航空发动机将用于装备俄第五代战机。 据悉，新型发动机与现役苏式飞机上装备的发动机的主要差异是：装备有高压和低压涡轮机和新型风扇，使飞机具有更大的牵引力。
俄罗斯将于2006年开始生产试验型苏-35多功能歼击机。苏-35是俄罗斯“苏霍伊”飞机设计局在苏-27基础上发展的单座全天候战斗/ 攻击机，主要用于制空和对地攻击。该机为苏-27的高级发展型，改进了机体、发动机、机载设备和武器系统，可以根据攻击目标的不同完全自动地进行飞行模式和武器的控制，电传操纵系统由模拟式换成数字式，增加了前翼，采用三翼面气动布局。
苏-35型机上配备的相阵控雷达可发现和跟踪20个目标，同时攻击其中的8个目标。该机的最大武器外挂载荷为8000千克，可配备多种类型的机载武器，其中包括：1门30毫米GSH-30机炮(备弹150发)，R-27、R-40、R-60、R-73A和R-77空空导弹，KH-25ML、KH -25MP、KH-29T、KH-31和KH-59导弹等。(章田/雅龙)
GreatYuran
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MIGleader said:
Thats all depending on which stage the development of the J-xx is at. if the J-xx is not expected to enter service until 2015 or 2020 then the PLAAF needs to consider if their current fleet of Su-27s,J-10s,J-11s,and Su-30s are capable of handling threats for 1 - 2 more decades. If that is the case it is possible that the PLAAF will aquire the Su-35.
If you read some of the posts on Chinese military forums, it seems like the more knowledgeable ones do not want China to by any more flanker. I guess they feel optimistic about improvements in Chinese avionics that can be put on our 4th generation planes.GreatYuran said:
MIGleader
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GreatYuran said:
of course they can. chinas not faced by immediate threat, and as far as defence is concerned, no one is going to attack china in the near future. taiwan doesnt seem to want or be able to buy new fighters, and any fighters it buys wont be very advanced, only older planes with some mid-life upgrades and so on. as chinas built an effective fighter fleet over the 90s, its best for the plaaf to concentrate on awacs, elint, and strategic bomber and dedicated attackers, where china's is not particularly adept. j-xx should be comming out around 2015 using a timetable based on j-10 and f-22. until then, china can keep upgrading its flankers and j-10s. the j-10s current potential is huge. already, radar and engine upgrades are on the way. as for the j-11s, we all know about their upgrades too. so i guess china doesnt really need to keep buying russian planes anyways. they have a nasty habit of being below plaaf standards.
GreatYuran
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MIGleader said:
Below PLAAF standards? But havent the PLAAF been relying almsot exclusivly on Russian technology? From the early days of the first generation Migs to the Sukoi fighters now employed, the standards are being set BY the Russian planes. The Indigenous designs of China so far has no been able to match Russian designs. Before we go on to praise the J-10, it needes to be said that many components of the J-10 comes from Russia, including its engine. All other chinese planes have been basically come from Russian designs. The Russian planes are not below PLAAF standards, they simply set the standard.
As for the point of attaining the Su-35s, it all depends on the risk assesment of the Taiwanese. Although the Taiwan airforce is not capable of completely obliviating the PLAAF, consideration should be taken in about the United States and Japanese. As far as the PLAAF has advanced (quite remarkably i might add) the USAF is still the strongest air force in the world. By far. If the United States is to enter the Taiwan conflict, then the PLAAF will need to consider boasting their force considerably before the introduction of the J-XX.
They are below plaaf standards, that's why they suspended importing parts from Russia for the J-11 contract. J-10 uses its engine from Russia right now. What else does it use? Once WS-10A starts mass production, it will be fully indigenous. Or maybe you know something I don't? Even J-11B is using all indigenous components now. Well, the airfram is Russian design obviously, but everything else is developed by China and even the airframe is made totally in China.GreatYuran said:
As for su-35, the reason why many people in China are not so excited about it is because of J-10's air combat abilities. Mnay people doubt that su-35 is actually better J-10 in air combat.
As for USAF, it doesn't matter what plane we buy from the Russians, it won't help if we have to face F-22 or F-35. So, that's why we are waiting for the next generation plane.
The ONLY reason that China suspended imports of the su-27 is because China has a nasty habit of copying a foreign design and then saying it’s their own. China prefers buggy domestic planes to mediocre Russian aircraft. I don’t think China is going to war any time so, and feels that it can afford to purchase domestic in order to build its aircraft industry which is still not able to completely build a modern aircraft with out foreign help. The fact that they are still making j-8II and other mig-21 derivatives shows just how far behind they are. Those aircraft should have been nearing retirement in the late 1970’s. It is funny to hear how great j-8II is when the only thing the plane has going for it over a Boeing 747 is its speed. It is doubtful that the j-10 is the next best thing since sliced bread some people say “it won 5 vs 0 against the su-27â€; however the statement is without any context made by extreme nationalist trying to push their aircraft. How many fights did it take to get that result? It doesn’t seem logical, that the j-10 should have a consistent advantage over the su-27 even the downgraded crap version.:rofl: