Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[garasuop]

Wouldn't the bays eat into the space meant for the intakes? This is assuming that the intakes are situated below the fuselage rather than curved around it like the Rafale's.

I have my doubts as well. F-35 splitting the weapon bay into two makes sense with a single engine in the middle. I guess we just have to wait for clearer photos. So far no clear photo of the intakes, which seems quite narrow as is.

 

[feihong]

Personally, I believe the plane shown today is the tea pot.

 

[Robin161518]

It can be said with full certainty, at this point, that this airframe is not the same one that was photographed earlier and released in conjunction with the J-36 photos.
The white/gray airframe, which is pretty evident by now, is the biggest indicator of this, as is the presence of a pitot tube. Unlike some observations made earlier, there does not seem to be a tailsting between the engine nozzles, a further indication that this is a separate airframe.

The most likely explanation that this is an earlier tech demonstrator or prototype that was photographed way before and released just now. Of course, it is also possible that the tech demonstrator might still be conducting flight tests in conjunction with the "full prototype" that was unveiled first.

I agree that pitot tube is a clear difference.
But I have to say I still disagree to distinguishing these plane from each other by color.
Even J11(orJ16) in this picture is black. But we all know j11 and j16 are grey/grey-white

 

[dingyibvs]

? Please read carefully. He literally said THIS is a teacup.
And we only had one aircraft of SAC exposed on 26th

Did we though? The first image, one that we all initially dismissed as a fake, shows a light colored aircraft, which we now know may very well be a different aircraft.

Also, how do you interpret that last post as him doubling down? Read it again, as with the new information we have he may very well have meant that those 3 images represent both the "tea cup" and the "teapot", which would fit with the theory that the first picture from the left which is the first picture released may represent a different aircraft.

 

[Neurosmith]

I agree that pitot tube is a clear difference.
But I have to say I still disagree to distinguishing these plane from each other by color.
Even J11(orJ16) in this picture is black. But we all know j11 and j16 are grey/grey-white
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I would agree if the above photo is the only one of the J-50 that we have. However, every single photo of the "black" airframe clearly shows that the fuselage is painted black or dark gray, including ones in which sunlight is reflecting off the airframe. Contrast this with the photo & video of the "white" airframe, wherein the aircraft remains fully illuminated even with the sunlight coming down from above it.

I also have to double down on my earlier observation of the tailsting; the black airframe has a clearly-distinguishable separator between its engine nozzles whereas the newest (or oldest, I guess) airframe does not.

I feel like this forum is going in circles given the lack of clear photography, but my final conclusion on this matter (until we get more photos) is the following:

• It is indisputable that the whitish airframe is different from the "black" airframe spotted initially.
• It is likely that the whitish airframe is an earlier tech demonstrator or even a subscale prototype.
• It is unlikely that the whitish airframe is a CCA drone, as its design almost mirrors that of the earlier J-50 prototype.
• The lack of all-moving tailfins and possibly an IWB on the whitish airframe does not preclude the final production variant from doing so.

All in all, the best way forward is to wait for more imagery/videos.

 

[garasuop]

Totally agree. Hours could be spent trying to answer questions based on these low quality images, that will be immediately obvious from a clearer/different-angled photo.

 

[Robin161518]

Did we though? The first image, one that we all initially dismissed as a fake, shows a light colored aircraft, which we now know may very well be a different aircraft.

We only had one aircraft comfirmed to be real before today,
Which is the one with several pictures and videos released on 26th.
Others might be PSed or another aircraft. Nobody knows.

Also, how do you interpret that last post as him doubling down? Read it again, as with the new information we have he may very well have meant that those 3 images represent both the "tea cup" and the "teapot", which would fit with the theory that the first picture from the left which is the first picture released may represent a different aircraft.

I think he said it clear enough

 

[dingyibvs]

We only had one aircraft comfirmed to be real before today,
Which is the one with several pictures and videos released on 26th


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I think he said it clear enough

Yes, he was very clear that BOTH the teacup and the teapot have flown before 12/26.

 

[kriss]

Others claim as well.

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He is a clown. Ignore him.

 

[Robin161518]

I would agree if the above photo is the only one of the J-50 that we have. However, every single photo of the "black" airframe clearly shows that the fuselage is painted black or dark gray, including ones in which sunlight is reflecting off the airframe. Contrast this with the photo & video of the "white" airframe, wherein the aircraft remains fully illuminated even with the sunlight coming down from above it.

You mean this picture?
The flanker is also black in this picture.

And these two pictures are from the same video.Possibly AI-augmenTed