Tbh both the Shenyang and Chengdu designs is quite radical and comes with a lot of risks. If they wanted safe they could've just procured another 200 J-20S.
Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread
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I can only assume that @siegecrossbow was feeling a bit tongue in cheek when he proposed the SHADE acronym.
While we wouldn't want to confuse anyone, it's not exactly the job or obligation of anyone here to ensure the accuracy of clickbait generated by misinformed Western and Desi 'journalists' and 'influencers' skimming this board for content to copy and paste!
In fact, this could make for some amusing sport . . .
I thought we were calling it SHAD. CHAD and SHAD, easy to remember and cool lol
In more serious matters now, imo CAC had more "freedom" to go a bit bonkers if it wanted. SAC though probably had the requirement of carrier operations, at that point you are physically limited by limited runway, dimensions (elevator, limited parking space, hangar maintenance/moving around etc). Can't be too heavy (limited engines/weapon payload/range) must have more aerodynamic controlling surfaces given the limited runway while keeping with 6th gen stealth requirements etc
SAC could dream to build whatever it wants but the moment it's gets thrown the carrier operations requirement hot potato it all goes out of the window and reality sets in.
But even then, it's actually impressive the technical innovations they have put into SHAD. As attention drawing as CHAD is, this plane is arguably not that far behind if we consider them both from an innovation pov
SHAD sounds like the type of stupid NATO nickname designed to denigrate enemy assets.
I think J-36 and J-XS are fine.
The former for obvious reasons for CAC's project, the latter for SAC's project and it is short, to the point, nil attempt to try and create an "English sounding acronym".
But that's just me.
I agree with that to an extent, but I also think we're just going to make PLA watching more difficult for ourselves if he allow misinformation or jokes to occur here.
I think it's better to not be cute or make amusing references like that which has potential to be misinterpreted. That's not to say we can't be humorous, but I think avoiding it in a way that can lead to more misunderstandings is beneficial.
The former for obvious reasons for CAC's project, the latter for SAC's project and it is short, to the point, nil attempt to try and create an "English sounding acronym".
But that's just me.
I agree with that to an extent, but I also think we're just going to make PLA watching more difficult for ourselves if he allow misinformation or jokes to occur here.
I think it's better to not be cute or make amusing references like that which has potential to be misinterpreted. That's not to say we can't be humorous, but I think avoiding it in a way that can lead to more misunderstandings is beneficial.
I for one am pretty happy if that turns out to be true, an extra set of moving control surfaces (and variable geometry at that) feels like it’ll sacrifice a lot of important parameters such as all-aspect stealth, weight, FCS complexity, maintenance, etc for… what? Actually I don’t even know for sure what it brings to the table that can be important enough in the context of 6th gen
You already are sacrificing all aspect stealth to a minor extent with W wing trailing edge.
If they've got no stabs at all, that layout will genuinely have a massive yaw instability issue. Just moveable wingtips won't solve it.
If the Shenyang 6th gen fighter indeed retains vertical control surfaces, then we might be looking at something closer to the GCAP or FCAS than the sister program out of Chengdu.
This would inevitably translate to a less ambitious, but lower risk program that would provide the PLAAF with a Hi-Lo mix, as well as provide the Chinese authorities with a less sensitive and more accessible export platform.
This would inevitably translate to a less ambitious, but lower risk program that would provide the PLAAF with a Hi-Lo mix, as well as provide the Chinese authorities with a less sensitive and more accessible export platform.
Just run away, I don't like 50/50 odds