Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

We have image of two J35 in Hungdicun test facility just a few days ago. They must have done many test flights including catapult take off and arrestor wire landing there. So it is incorrect to say that J31/35 had hardly conduct any test flight.

lcloo said:

We have image of two J35 in Hungdicun test facility just a few days ago. They must have done many test flights including catapult take off and arrestor wire landing there. So it is incorrect to say that J31/35 had hardly conduct any test flight.

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yes I completely forgot there's already satellite images of J-35 testing there

iantsai said:

China is a populated country and there is no real wilderness near a 10m population city. Do you know there are 700 persons/sqkm living in Shenyang city? Not the density in the downtown but that of the vast 12980 sqkm administrational area.

Don't think it's a place like the corn belt in the US where there people have to walk one mile or more to visit their neighbors.

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If you actually believe there isn’t a single spot of dirty in a major Chinese city without a large number of people then you’ve clearly never been to China at all, or never got around in China much.

iantsai said:

If you think there were more than one flight why don't you just post the proof? A photo, several seconds of video, or even a web page link is enough.

Would you think it possible for me to upload a 24 hous x 100 days continuous video of the airport to prove that the FC-31 never flew again in the recent several months?

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Seriously, I am not going to keep on talking to you about some basics on how to debate logically.

iantsai said:

As I mentioned in the last post, Shenyang is a city with a population density of 700 persons/sqkm and an area of 12980 sqkm.

Anyone insists that there were multiple FC-31 test flights would better show something as proof. Because there could not be a stealth test flight before 9 million people.

The government awareness of the leaking of the aircraft is a factor, but this did not denied the J-20 and KJ-600 from being leaked the blurry photos in the air, which are definitely in much higher priority than the FC-31.

If there had been many test flights it's very possible for the aircraft to be shot by someone's smartphone and posted in twitter or forums like SDF.

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Okay, we get it, that you don't believe the thing is real.

But for the rest of us, we all do believe it is real, and we do all believe that the pictures we have so far and the lack of subsequent pictures is entirely normal. So you continuously going into different threads and talking about how it isn't real and demanding to see "proof" is getting very tiresome.

This is basically what is happening, and you are not making it easy for anyone, especially yourself.

Allow me to digress from J35 a little bit.
Has it occurred to anyone that CAC is the only state run defence enterprise in China that allows observers to take photos relatively freely? Even worldwide this is not the norm for defence industry.

zyun8288 said:

Allow me to digress from J35 a little bit.
Has it occurred to anyone that CAC is the only state run defence enterprise in China that allows observers to take photos relatively freely? Even worldwide this is not the norm for defence industry.

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"Relatively freely" is indeed relative.

I would say more that of the amount of pictures that are probably taken at CAC versus SAC or XAC (among others etc), we tend to get a bit more of the pictures taken from CAC actually released and shown to us --- however that is still likely a miniscule fraction and likely similar to other defense establishments in absolute scales.

... and people hear others say they have seen a triangle in the sky and claim the USA has reverse engineered alien anti-gravity craft.

China is doubted and doubted and doubted despite proving itself and providing more than enough hints, clues, and conservative leaks (they don't leak the properly good stuff only what they feel is okay to leak). China shows 10 when it has 100. Most others pretend and brag about being 100 when they are really a 10... in some southern cases, a 0.

FC-31 is real. The project for PLANAF J-xy is real. They are building 003 for J-xy and J-15A/x.

Some closeup shots of FC-31 version 2.0 starting at the 4 minute mark.

I don't think we want to automatically assume that China has been hiding away some great invention that nobody has seen, so it's capabilities must be greater than what it's shown. I think both China and America have confidential projects that have not been unveiled to the public (yes, America has plenty of those too). I do think it's a bad idea to presume that J-35 hasn't flown again just because we haven't seen pictures of it.

Keep in mind, there weren't many pictures of J-16D from when it first flew in 2015 until this past year. And now, you can't go anywhere without seeing and reading about J-16D. There were never as many J-11B photos back in late 2000s as there were of J-10B photos. Lack of available photos during development stage seems to be the norm for SAC. so, we have to assume China is actively working on J-35 and land version of FC-31. The former has higher priority but is harder to complete than the latter. I have no idea which one will complete development/testing first. I also don't want to put the J-20 timeline on J-35, since what CAC did there was quite extraordinary and shouldn't be expected on every project.