Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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airsuperiority said:
remember kids that's why you dont put b-52 and g force in the same sentence, with exception being this sentence
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Actually your sentence is considered two separate sentences but you joint them by a conjunction "and". So B-52 and G-force are two words that should never be in a pure single sentence.
 
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ladioussupp said:
This crane or fudge did not fear the Gyrfalcon. ;)

SAC should have real Gyrfalcons flying with the iron one to prevent potential bird strike.
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The Gyrfalcon icons on the J-31 might do the trick somewhat. :p

Actually your sentence is considered two separate sentences but you joint them by a conjunction "and". So B-52 and G-force are two words that should never be in a pure single sentence.
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It's considered a single sentence since it has only one verb, but I don't think that's the point of Airsuperiority. ;)

This is what you call becoming a "Test Pilot", the AC is practicing for an airshow, and wants to impress, and he certainly does, this literally makes me feel ill, but is illustrative of the type of "hot rocks" flying that used to cause my Dad to fume and cuss, and he didn't cuss. You will note that at approx 150 degrees or so of the planned 360, he begins to lighten up the bank angle and recovers the aircraft from an initial overbanking tendency, you "must" apply opposite aileron in this steep of a bank. Rather than level the wings and recover the aircraft, the AC re-enters the 360, you will note that he has increased thrust to the maximum shortly after stabilising the initial turn in to the bank, by about the 200 degree point the AC is losing control of the aircraft due to an aerodynamic "STALL". You will note that the airplane slides off on the inboard wing into the ground and literally disentigrates as it contact "terra firma".
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I remember reading (in youtube) the pilot has a habit of doing hot rock flyings before the accident.
 
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Air Force Brat said:
... Air China 006 did in fact suffer airframe separation from sever over G and by God's grace, they all lived to tell the tale, losing the outboard sections of both horizonatal stabs and elevators in the process, along with sundry damage and the wings taking a permanent 2 degree upward set, which was still within tolerances, this friends in a 747 that performs a full roll, due to loss of control of the aircraft by the AC. END OFF TOPIC
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Brat, what's this Air China 006 story? I've never heard of it. Could you give me a link for reference?
 
Air Force Brat

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superdog said:
Not Air China, it's China Airlines (Taiwan). There is an air crash investigation episode on this that you can watch on youtube.
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Thanks Superdog, and my apologies for not making that clear, I was merely using China Airlines as another example of an AC [aircraft commander], losing control of an aircraft, and Boeings well built aircraft for surviving said loss of control, China Airlines flight 006 NTSB report in Feb 1985, also what happens when an airframe is pushed well beyond its design limits and safety margins. China Airline 006 and Air France 447 are what happen when aircrews do not hand fly their aircraft, an ill placed faith in the auto-pilot, an overeliance on simulator check rides, and no unusual attitude recovery, [this should be a part of EVERY simulator flight check] , not always practical or safe in the aircraft. Aircrews are often discouraged from hand flying their aircraft by the corporate heads, for a number of reasons, but as evidenced by the loss of control in both these incidents, fairly benign incidents became tragedies or near tragedies because the aircrew were unfamiliar with their aircraft and failure to recognize and properly diagnos in flight anamolies, ultimately leading to the lose of control and with the Airbus, loss of the vertical stab and the aircraft although to be honest, its not clear that the vertical stab separation occured in flight although I suspicion that it did, the accident report does NOT acknowledge that.

An auto-pilot is a wonderfull tool and extremely helpfull in flight management, but not a substitute for a real airman, thats why hes call Pilot in Command. End OFF TOPIC
 
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