Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

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This is Chinese soft power, friendship with global south and SCO in action.
From what I can see here, more no than yes in holding a debate over Xinjiang, including no votes from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. I'm a little surprised by the yes vote from Somalia. Not sure what happened there.
Didn't the Biden admin send a few thousand troops into Somalia recently? It's probably back to being a puppet state again. Wonder if South Korea's yes vote will translate to retaliation, they could've chose an abstain to try and wiggle out.
 

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This is Chinese soft power, friendship with global south and SCO in action.
From what I can see here, more no than yes in holding a debate over Xinjiang, including no votes from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. I'm a little surprised by the yes vote from Somalia. Not sure what happened there.
Most likely a couple million cash in bribes to the Somalian UN ambassador. I'm sure the Somalian government is already behind the scenes telling the chinese ambassador it won't happen again.

It also speaks volumes when the mighty US could only get colonies to vote for their sham agenda. Not a single global south country (other than Somalia)

Edit: just found out US redeployed troops there, so probably back to being colony status
As I see it, while Russia (more specifically, the currently majority faction) is broadly an ally, there are dangerous elements within Russian society that believe in westernism. They think that Russians naturally belong with the Europeans, that they will be accepted if only they kowtow deep enough.

And they advocate for self sabotaging ties to China under the guise of "Russian nationalism". But in reality, it is western/white nationalism.

It is absolutely not a mistake of China to devote resources into stamping out these people, because they, the likes of Gorbachev, are the ones holding Russia back from reaching its potential, the ones that sold out Russians to the west to begin with.

Jostling the Kremlin around a bit, making them reorganise stuff and severing ties to the west, it is all helping Russia later.

In a way, the de-westernization plan for Russia has already been accepted and begun it's execution. There is no stepping back to the west now for Russia.

China's end goal is to spread the worker revolution further. So the SCO must be gradually tightened ideologically. If a socialist leadership can gradually come into power in Russia, communism will revive like in the cold war days, but this time with an economic model and industry base superior to the west.

A successfully modernized socialist Russia creates a domino effect, because it shows that what China did was no fluke. If even a huge stagnating country like Russia can do it, anyone can achieve it just by adopting the same principles.

Until that day, Russia must be ideologically prepared by the ablation of all western friendly elements while becoming more and more tightly intertwined with China's military network and economic systems.
Russia is going to become a pariah even within the SCO. Central asia is not going to follow russian directions any longer. They will seek the opportunity to expel Russian influence. Best thing that can happen is managing Russia's decline and ensure whoever leads them after Putin sticks firmly to the SCO.

China will take the chance to integrate Russia and central asia economically and politically under the SCO principles of non-intervention in domestic politics and stability. Make it a sort of EU-lite where the advantages of remaining in (and accepting China's influence) are big enough to keep the US out. Keeping India in is going to be a challenge though, once they realise it's becoming a China n friends club.

Even if Russia does become socialist, I don't think it's going to matter much. The other important players of the SCO like Iran, Pakistan and India are far from being socialist. The Chinese government also has a strict stance of non-interference, so no "global revolution" type of rhetoric
 
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Even if Russia does become socialist, I don't think it's going to matter much. The other important players of the SCO like Iran, Pakistan and India are far from being socialist. The Chinese government also has a strict stance of non-interference, so no "global revolution" type of rhetoric
Chinese can indirectly promote socialism by being a magnet for which others would want to naturally gravitate towards, thus satisfying both conditions.
 

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Made a map of the votes in the rejected HRC resolution today for visual reference.

Based on this:
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The non-HRC seatless countries who co-sponsored the resolution can be referenced here:
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More about the usage of e-currency for cross border transactions. The important point here is that non-Western countries are nervous about getting cut off by Western financial system, so have an incentive to explore a more efficient system that is not controlled by the West. Also, it needs to be mentioned that Alipay/Wechat pay should be more efficient and easy to use than this. So, I see e-Yuan as transactions between large businesses and governments, whereas Alipay as your regular people driven e-commerce traffic.

Interesting point there about other countries like Singapore also looking to participate in this since they can experience efficiency and savings from going through digital channel.

I find that more promising than something like this which seems to be just driven by the Russians.
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Digital RMB is used for retail, this is clear, and Alipay is only a digital RMB use channel!
 

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This one is really great. Carnegie Endowment, back a couple of months ago, had articles on how Huawei is succeeding in Indonesia and North Africa. Now, Evan is interviewing the writers of those articles to discuss their findings. It's a long video, but I would recommend others to listen to it.
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Ultimately, they really hit home at the point that the West has nothing to offer to these countries so resort to the tactic of attacking China/Huawei. I would say the points they raise are valid to a point, but ultimately it comes from a very arrogant stand point. And it seems like Chinese companies have been very flexible in working in local environment.

That's why the recent effort by both Alibaba and Huawei cloud is truly important. Things like project Asia Forward really is about win/win solution that helps local firms/talent as well as increasing Alibaba cloud market share. Hence, why the US sanctions on Chinese tech industry. At one point, they mentioned that Huawei is increasingly overtaking Cisco in North Africa in terms of vocational training and getting certificates. That is probably alarming to US security apparatus.

the other thing is the idea that China is a new player here. It does need to do more to capture the local market. It needs to try harder than Western countries/companies to make in road. From this point of view, I do think China's influence over global south in Tech industry will grow stronger in the future. As Chinese tech companies become more well known and established, it will be even harder from Western tech companies to compete. They will no longer be winning just on costs.

The other interesting point that Evan made is that everyone has heard of Confucius Institute but no one has heard of Luban. China hawks are only capable of focusing on a few things and just don't grasp what China is actually doing here. They don't seem to understand what BRI is about or the flexibility of Chinese companies.

I'm reposting an article that was posted on ASEAN economy thread
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very good one. you can see more about Pan Asian railway here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunming–Singapore_railway

The key here as with all BRI project is to link everything to China. The problem with Western analysts is that they see everything through the lens of military/security. So when they look at these projects, they can only see that these countries are incurring debt, so that the place of attack against China is to allege "debt trap". That doesn't really work in these countries when China debt is a tiny fraction of their overall debt. They are simply missing out that these railway links make all commercial transaction more convenient through China.

It often amazes me that people are alarmed by Huawei or CBDC, but are completely ignorant of Alipay.

Since America had a huge head start in tech, finance and commerce, the globe as a whole have been using mostly American companies for these things. It's a huge part of America's soft power. It's a huge change when China overtakes American companies in the global south in these areas.
 

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This is what China's cooperation with the global south should be about. They are building Africa's largest Steele plant in Zimbabwe. The message they will want to give is that countries that welcome Chinese investment are awarded with more jobs and higher valued jobs.

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Another great article about the effect of digital Silk Road in the Middle East.
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They are definitely making an in road here. The next phase is to sell these countries a lot of weapons.
 

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The reason why Chinese tech companies invest in Malaysia and Thailand is because they are welcomed there. This SCMP article talks about digital silk road's effort in elevating Malaysia's digital economy. Philippines is another market that Chinese tech companies will want to grow in.
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There is also the talk about Health Silk Road. China would like to be more involve in helping every aspect of African society. Now that it is more developed in this area, it's trying to increase engagement here.
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This is Chinese soft power, friendship with global south and SCO in action.
From what I can see here, more no than yes in holding a debate over Xinjiang, including no votes from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. I'm a little surprised by the yes vote from Somalia. Not sure what happened there.
Somalia has a failed government with very little state control. The UN seat is effectively held by a US appointee, like Afghanistan's is.
 

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More on technology cooperation with Global South

Alibaba is kicking off their training program in Africa. Let's hope they succeed in helping a new general after African business that are used to Chinese technology.
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Following a rigorous selection process, the final candidates from across the African continent will embark on a series of online classes where they will delve into approaches to harnessing technology to grow their businesses within the local economy.

More ICT academy from Huawei, this time in Bangladesh. They need to crank this out everywhere.
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It looks like Huawei is making a lot of progress in the Middle East. This time with UAE.
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