Self Propelled Gun/Rocket Launcher

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Imagine something like this put into service. If it can fire 5 rounds per minute. Than one battery (assume 18 units) of this will be able to unleash 450 of the 500kg (with 250kg class warhead) smart munition onto enemy target 400km+ away in 5 minutes of firing.

That's equal to more than 100 sortie of a F-18 class dropping 4 stand-off glider PGM of 500kg class each (of course, regular PGM have a much larger warhead-to-overall-weight ratio), and equal to 225 J-10C sorties each with two 500kg class stand-off glider PGM configuration.

What's more is that there are not retaliatory artillery weapon to counter this. This means that this platform is pretty much untouchable if the enemy does not gain air superiority.
If this thing is 300mm, firing a rocket-assisted gliding guided round, its not going to fire at 5 rounds a minute. (one every 20s)

1 round a minute would be pretty good already, possibly even 1 round every 3-5 minutes.
 

Clark Gap

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Imagine something like this put into service. If it can fire 5 rounds per minute. Than one battery (assume 18 units) of this will be able to unleash 450 of the 500kg (with 250kg class warhead) smart munition onto enemy target 400km+ away in 5 minutes of firing.

That's equal to more than 100 sortie of a F-18 class dropping 4 stand-off glider PGM of 500kg class each (of course, regular PGM have a much larger warhead-to-overall-weight ratio), and equal to 225 J-10C sorties each with two 500kg class stand-off glider PGM configuration.

What's more is that there are not retaliatory artillery weapon to counter this. This means that this platform is pretty much untouchable if the enemy does not gain air superiority.

Fighters also have the reconnaissance and observation ability.
 

by78

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An evidence of the rumor about the 300mm cannon carried by 5 axle special heavy-duty truck (There is a outline for it, but I cannot find that image now): Aerodynamics simulation and characteristics analysis of extended range guided munition

I do not know anyone had post any relevant article, I did find it in this post. This article talk about a 300 mm rocket-assisted extended range guided munition, with the maximum uncontrolled range reaches 280 km, and the range of gliding flight with the maximum lift-to-drag ratio reaches 420km:
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- Simulation Conditions:
muzzle velocity: 700m/s
Weight of shell: 530 kg
Explosive load: 230 kg

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- maximum uncontrolled range: 280 km

"在文献[16]中,几种制导炮弹的最大射程为160km,相比之下,本文设计的制导炮弹射程明显增大,最大射程为420km。"
- the range of gliding flight with the maximum lift-to-drag ratio : 420km

That's a recent academic paper that explores the design and expected performance of a 300mm guided artillery munition. It's exploratory in nature, so I wouldn't necessarily use it as direct evidence for the existence of a 300mm self-propelled howitzer, although the probability of such a system existing or being worked on is not low.

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broadsword

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If this thing is 300mm, firing a rocket-assisted gliding guided round, its not going to fire at 5 rounds a minute. (one every 20s)

1 round a minute would be pretty good already, possibly even 1 round every 3-5 minutes.

With a weight of 500kg, machinery will be needed to do the heavy lifting. I still doubt it can handle more than 1 per minute though.
 

Blitzo

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An evidence of the rumor about the 300mm cannon carried by 5 axle special heavy-duty truck (There is a outline for it, but I cannot find that image now): Aerodynamics simulation and characteristics analysis of extended range guided munition

I do not know anyone had post any relevant article, I did find it in this post. This article talk about a 300 mm rocket-assisted extended range guided munition, with the maximum uncontrolled range reaches 280 km, and the range of gliding flight with the maximum lift-to-drag ratio reaches 420km:
View attachment 95970
View attachment 95972

- Simulation Conditions:
muzzle velocity: 700m/s
Weight of shell: 530 kg
Explosive load: 230 kg

View attachment 95971

- maximum uncontrolled range: 280 km

"在文献[16]中,几种制导炮弹的最大射程为160km,相比之下,本文设计的制导炮弹射程明显增大,最大射程为420km。"
- the range of gliding flight with the maximum lift-to-drag ratio : 420km

It looks like the rear fins of the shell are fixed rather than fold out.
Assuming it is representative of the simulated shell, does that mean the actual shell diameter is a bit below 300mm (as 300mm would likely be the wingspan instead), and that the shell itself has a sabot?

Or is it just an image that is not necessarily representative of the actual thing?
 

Clark Gap

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It looks like the rear fins of the shell are fixed rather than fold out.
Assuming it is representative of the simulated shell, does that mean the actual shell diameter is a bit below 300mm (as 300mm would likely be the wingspan instead), and that the shell itself has a sabot?

Or is it just an image that is not necessarily representative of the actual thing?
Rockets commonly have folding-fins.
 

Blitzo

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Rockets commonly have folding-fins.

Yes, but the munition in the picture looks like its rear fins are not designed to fold.

Some shells like Excalibur, LRLAP are similar in concept with rocket assisted propulsion and have fold out fins for guidance.

But the one in that graphic looks more like the Leonardo Vulcano, which is also a rocket assisted shell with fin guidance, but the rear fins don't fold and it has a sabot.

WNIT_5-64_LW_Vulcano_diagram_pic.jpgWNIT_5-64_LW_Vulcano_sabot_pic.jpg
 
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