Sad ending of a great empire

shen

shen

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When is United States going to start arming the rebels?

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Senator McCain on the ground already.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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Don't need to Just Let Scotland and England play a Soccer Game....
18 September 2014 Last updated at 21:05 ET
Scottish independence: First referendum results declared
The first results are coming in for the referendum to decide whether Scotland should stay in the UK or become an independent country.
Clackmannanshire was the earliest to declare, with "No" winning 19,036 votes and "Yes" on 16,350 on an 89% turnout.
Counting will be carried out through the night, with individual results announced for each of Scotland's 32 local authority areas.
The final national result is expected after 06:30 BST (05:30 GMT) on Friday.
Orkney was the second area to announce its result, with "No" winning 10,004 votes compared with 4,883 for "Yes" on a turnout of 83.7%.
Polling expert Professor John Curtice of Strathclyde University said the Clackmannanshire result would be a "considerable disappointment" to the "Yes" side, who would have hoped to have done better in what is Scotland's smallest mainland local authority.
A YouGov on-the-day survey published shortly after polls closed suggested "No" was on 54% and "Yes" on 46%.
The survey questioned 1,828 people after they voted, together with the postal votes of 800 people, although it is not a traditional exit poll.
YouGov said its responses suggested there had been a small shift from "Yes" to "No" on polling day, and also that "No" supporters were slightly more likely to turn out to vote.
A "Yes" vote in the ballot would end the 307-year-old union between Scotland and the rest of the UK.
Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond tweeted: "This has been a remarkable day. Scotland's future truly is in Scotland's hands",
In other developments:
Police are investigating allegations of electoral fraud relating to 10 ballot papers in Glasgow
The Queen is expected to make a written statement on Friday afternoon, after the result has been confirmed
Prime Minister David Cameron expected to respond to Scotland's decision in a live televised address following the final result
The count in Dundee was briefly suspended due to a fire alarm
For latest results and full coverage, go to bbc.co.uk/scotland-decides
Analysis: Brian Taylor, BBC Scotland political editor
The evidence from throughout Scotland is of a large, indeed a phenomenal, turnout. A series of questions arise from that.
One, will this benefit one side or the other? That depends upon differential turnout. Is one side or the other feeling more motivated, more inclined to participate?
It had been thought that the more motivated side would be Yes. It had been thought this could be worth one or two per cent in the final tally.
However, at these huge levels of interest, that may be open to challenge. It seems that the entirety of Scotland is engaged. We shall see.
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Jura The idiot

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When I was eating my breakfast, at half past 7 in Central Europe, "Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond admitted defeat ....":
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which now is being repeated probably by all news-servers in the world, so I join :)
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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Well the independence party can't say it was not a total loss, and the united together party and Parliament should not walk away from this thinking it was a total victory. The numbers were damn close, very damn close. The Crown should seriously think about just how close this could have been. Its almost in the category of room for error close.
 
SampanViking

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Well the independence party can't say it was not a total loss, and the united together party and Parliament should not walk away from this thinking it was a total victory. The numbers were damn close, very damn close. The Crown should seriously think about just how close this could have been. Its almost in the category of room for error close.
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This is deferment only. The issue will be back and maybe as soon as 10 years, certainly no later than 2030.

It is obvious that the currency was the big issue and even that was not sufficient to put off nearly half the electorate. With a bit more time and new powers, the Independence movement will likely keep its support, deal with its weak spots and keep going. Remember they started this campaign with only about 30% support, so they have increased substantially in the event. Once pro independence sentiment is consistently over 50%, the issue will be back and no one will be content to "park it for a generation".
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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Right now I would lay money that the Scottish Nationalists are working on that as we speak, and if the three major parties in London have any brains there top political egg heads skipped the champagne and celebrating, have locked them selves in a conference room and called out for take out as they are going to be looking over every detail of the city's and counties in Scotland that voted to succeed and the region as a whole. They know this is not the end and as a voluntary signature of the UK this will come back. The United kingdom didn't so much as win as the Scottish Nationalist Lost. The UK government needs now to take the lessons learned and push a serious campaign to promote the solidarity of the UK as a whole with the goal that when the next votes are counted they at least get a solid 60%.
 
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