kwaigonegin
Colonel
LOL I just knew someone would disagree.. which is totally fine...
perhaps I should say in my personal non professional opinion it is the best in the world
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LOL I just knew someone would disagree.. which is totally fine...
perhaps I should say in my personal non professional opinion it is the best in the world
LOL I just knew someone would disagree.. which is totally fine...
perhaps I should say in my personal non professional opinion it is the best in the world
Well, I personally think the Comanche should have been built anyway.
Why?
The Commanche was never meant to supplant the Apache and become the heavy attack bird that the Apache is. IMHO, the innovations you speak of would have translated to a Long Bow in any case. And that would not have been a bad thing, or a conflicting thing.
The Comanche held the RAH designation. It was meant to be an armed, recon/scout helo...not the heavy hitter.
So, instead of getting the Comanche in that role, we soldiered on with the Kiowas.
Now...we are seeing another very decent aircraft put forward to replace the Kiowas. I hope they do not go through all of the work and expense that the Comanche did and then end up canceling this one too.
I do not think they will. I believe this one will get done and be a fine addition to the force.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
True in an ideal situation however knowing how congress, the pentagon and the defence industry work I am quite certain had the Comanche came to being it would not have panned out like how you and I wanted it to be. It would most likely been canceled after a few dozen units ala raptor and would not have supplanted the apaches in
the field due to limited numbers, extreme cost and no sophisticated opfor for it to go battle against to truly maximize her sensors and stealth characteristics.
Hindsight being 20/20 but a Comanche would've offered very little advantage over the armed scouts or the apaches or cobras fighting terrorists today.
With all that being said it is one heck of a chopper and I still want something like it to come along one day soon in the future. It was perhaps way beyond its time but I'm certainly not oppose to seeing a stealth attack helo either working in concert with the heavy hitters or even be a dedicated attack Helo in it's own right.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Black Shark
Junior Member
Just eye rolling conent and attempt of sensationalism where no such thing is.
It is simple it is a helicopter. It is a very simple principle. Such machinery is called rotor winged aircraft, because it provides lift and sustains its position in its vertical axis via rotational movement of wings (rotor blades) The word rotor is a mathematical and mechanical term from rotator (to rotate). If it sustains its lift during its flight via rotors then it is a helicopter regardless of co-axial schematic or not a pusher adds absolutly nothing to lift the body.
If you eleminate at certain speeds the entire lifting of the body from rotating wings (rotor blades) and can sustain altitude via speed and low weight and low body surface wings you have a V/STOL plane, unless they come up with a new designation. The closest to that would be prototypes that only exist on paper like Ka-90, but still per defintion a V/STOL.
It is simple it is a helicopter. It is a very simple principle. Such machinery is called rotor winged aircraft, because it provides lift and sustains its position in its vertical axis via rotational movement of wings (rotor blades) The word rotor is a mathematical and mechanical term from rotator (to rotate). If it sustains its lift during its flight via rotors then it is a helicopter regardless of co-axial schematic or not a pusher adds absolutly nothing to lift the body.
If you eleminate at certain speeds the entire lifting of the body from rotating wings (rotor blades) and can sustain altitude via speed and low weight and low body surface wings you have a V/STOL plane, unless they come up with a new designation. The closest to that would be prototypes that only exist on paper like Ka-90, but still per defintion a V/STOL.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
yes and no. You see. Generally It fts as a Rotary wing platform no issue there but take a look at the set definition.
Or the KA90 or S72 Xwing or Canard Rotor-wing Concepts at low speed they are helicopters by the traditional definition but at high speed they would ( assuming they worked as intended Which they never did) have there rotors directional articulation lock either no longer allowing use as Pitch for control or Stopping the blade all together. At high speed They would use Conventional Rudder and Elevators.
Also there is issue with the term Compound Helicopter as wings are often added to that definition.
Raider does not have large wings although it does have a larger then normal Tail stabilizer. and since it's low speed operation is conventional and even at speed it still fits the definition of a Rotor craft. Yet it's not strictly a Helicopter.
It's not a Gyrodyne like the Formerly Eurocopter now Airbus Helicopter X3 demonstrator, nor a Auto Gyro or Tiltrotor either.
X2, Raider And eventually Defiant And KA92 ( I am assuming it would also maneuver at speed using a similar concept as described by Kamov Design Bureau Chief Designer Sergey Mikheev “Now we plan to split the functions of horizontal and vertical flights between different rotors,” ) would sit in a unique category.
They are Coaxial rotor craft with auxiliary Compound pusher prop propulsion that maneuver in the high speed envelope by vertical and Horizontal Control Surfaces. Obviously That's a mouth full.
At low speed The Raider and X2 Operate according to this definition, As do Kamov Choppers but something happens at about 150 kts. As the Article points Out Despite being rotary wing in every other way X2 was not allowed to take the Speed record for helicopters. Thats because once it hits high speed it is no longer using it's main rotor to control speed, Direction and manouver. like the F35B It's Flys by Jet engine, yet it's lift fan is a Ducted fan So it's not purely a Jet vs the Yak 41 from which F35B's 3 barring swivel manifold is derived, yet it's lift system was 3 jet engines.
Or the KA90 or S72 Xwing or Canard Rotor-wing Concepts at low speed they are helicopters by the traditional definition but at high speed they would ( assuming they worked as intended Which they never did) have there rotors directional articulation lock either no longer allowing use as Pitch for control or Stopping the blade all together. At high speed They would use Conventional Rudder and Elevators.
Also there is issue with the term Compound Helicopter as wings are often added to that definition.
Raider does not have large wings although it does have a larger then normal Tail stabilizer. and since it's low speed operation is conventional and even at speed it still fits the definition of a Rotor craft. Yet it's not strictly a Helicopter.
It's not a Gyrodyne like the Formerly Eurocopter now Airbus Helicopter X3 demonstrator, nor a Auto Gyro or Tiltrotor either.
X2, Raider And eventually Defiant And KA92 ( I am assuming it would also maneuver at speed using a similar concept as described by Kamov Design Bureau Chief Designer Sergey Mikheev “Now we plan to split the functions of horizontal and vertical flights between different rotors,” ) would sit in a unique category.
They are Coaxial rotor craft with auxiliary Compound pusher prop propulsion that maneuver in the high speed envelope by vertical and Horizontal Control Surfaces. Obviously That's a mouth full.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
The official name is 'bird' because that's what the people flying it and those working on it will be calling it.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
As I thought about it there is one other possible reason why Some want Clarity on Raider as Helicopter or Other. If it or Defiant are adopted by the Us military Would it be classified as H73 meaning Helicopter or V23 like Osprey?
Any way since I posted the Word Osprey.
Any way since I posted the Word Osprey.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
should be noted there is no indication that Bell is ready to build a Amphibious Friendly version. V280 prototype will be built for the Army meaning non-folding.
Yep...I saw that.
But that's okay. The Army needs a bunch of these.
The Navy and Marines can continue with the V-22 variants.