S-3 Viking (MIA)

sumdud

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Even though the S-3 is being retired secretively, I wonder, can the X-2 (E-2, C-2, etc) take up the job? They have similar roles (recon in their own way) and bodies. Since the US is retiring the EA-6B (which I don't find amusing) to get the F-18G just to simplify logistics, maybe the USN is doing the same with the S-3?
 

Obi Wan Russell

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An ASW variant of the Hawkeye does seem a logical solution, after all the E-2 was a replacement for the E-1 Tracer, itself part of the S-2/C-1/E-1 Tracker/Trader/Tracer family. Three roles from one airframe is pretty good going and it seems odd that the replacement 'family', the Hawkeye/Greyhound didn't also include an ASW version. Such an aircraft would be effectively a smaller, lighter, twin-engined carrier-borne P-3 Orion, and would potentially be a lower cost alternative to the P-3 for the export market. As with the S-3, it would also lend itself to several other roles, Anti-surface warfare, electronic warfare, airborne tanking, search and rescue etc. The design is now quite old even though it has been extensively updated, so it will be interesting to see if it is developed or if the aforementioned V-22 Osprey can provide a suitable alternative platform for Carrier borne ASW. Either way, it is a gap that needs filling, and soon.
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Yes I know that's a picture of a French E-2 Hawkeye but I thought it would make a change from the usual USN publicity shots.
 
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Seacraft

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Jeff Head said:
Which, IMHO, is a recipe for disaster.

The US has ample funds...more than ample funds...to cut in other social spending areas and other foreign aid...or some of the most rediculous grant money you have ever heard of to the tune of hundreds of millions, even billions of dollars...

Partially agree - social spending certainly needs tweaking and new processes of efficiency, as does the defense industry and the way money is doled out by the kanuckleheads in Washington. But enough funds have been reduced from most social programs to the point they are more than paying their share. I've lived on both sides of the social fence.

The people who sit in the defense arena always tout that social services are the bane of funding as does the flip side of the coin when those of the social services think how muc more "good" could be done if we took just a single carrier offline.

Had the current administration and their political hacks and previous political hacks shown some more competence AND if the defence industry was better able to contain cost overruns, the Viking would still be the Mid Range Fleet ASW Asset that it successfully was until a follow on platform was developed, the Spruance might not need to be retired a decade earlier than planned and the Comanche might have been saved - or shelved billions of dollars earlier, and - for grins and giggles - perhaps veterans would not face reduction os THEIR services and benefits. Want to save a few Billion on the long term costs of a major weapons platform? Impregnate effective project management into the system.

Now, will an ASW variant of the Osprey offer a worthy successor to the Viking? Other than fuel costs when transitioning between conventional flight & heli mode, having a dipping sonar capacity in conjunction with sonobouys on a longer range aircraft is pretty stinkin' intriguing :D ~or~ will it's insufficient range mean that the ASW mission needs to wait for a still written on the back of a napkin CSA Common Support Aircraft ??
 

DPRKUnderground

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Global Security says that they're replacing the S-3 squadrons with the F-18s. That sounds wrong.

The Navy's S-3B Sundown Plan calls for the gradual disestablishment of Viking squadrons as the number of operational carrier-based squadrons flying the F/A-18E/F increases. The F/A-18 will take over the aerial tanking role from the S-3. When an air wing receives its first Super Hornet squadron, the Viking squadron in that air wing will reduce its number of jets from 8 to 6. When that air wing receives its second Super Hornet squadron, that Viking squadron will disestablish. The Viking is scheduled for retirement in 2009.

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Seacraft

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DPRKUnderground said:
Global Security says that they're replacing the S-3 squadrons with the F-18s. That sounds wrong.



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I believe this to be true. When you consider that the ASW mission was removed from the S3, then the Hornet can do the other missions, many - like strike operations - better then than the S-3. Some, like long range recon and tanking it can do, though probably not as well
 

sumdud

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F-18?! How will they fit on the ASW crew onto a F-18? I understand that the plane is smaller and can fit torpedoes (I think, though I see no harm in doing so, The Fullback will do the same probably.) I don't think the performance and specs of the plane fits the role either.
 

Sea Dog

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sumdud said:
F-18?! How will they fit on the ASW crew onto a F-18? I understand that the plane is smaller and can fit torpedoes (I think, though I see no harm in doing so, The Fullback will do the same probably.) I don't think the performance and specs of the plane fits the role either.

They only mean the F-18 will assume the role that the S-3 curently fulfills in being a tanker (refueling support). Not ASW.
 

The_Zergling

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Am F-18 fulfilling a tanker role? That would either require a massive structural redesign or some new kind of external drop tank technology that I haven't seen before...
 

Seacraft

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The_Zergling said:
Am F-18 fulfilling a tanker role? That would either require a massive structural redesign or some new kind of external drop tank technology that I haven't seen before...

Tanking in the Navy is nothing like in the Airforce as there is no guarantee that suitable tankers will be in the area so they need a compact system that can be run from a carrier. Many Navy aircraft over the years can tank for other aircraft inluding the A7, A6 (though dedicated tanking as the KA-6D which was superceded by the S-3), F18, S3, and I'm sure more aircraft were capable...
 

bd popeye

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Guys the USN has been using the Super Hornet for tanking for several years now...Here is a pic from 2003...

Arabian Gulf (Mar. 25, 2003) -- An F/A-18E Super Hornet assigned to the “Eagles” Strike Fighter Squadron One One Five (VFA-115) configured in the Mission Tanker role clears the flight deck during combat flight operations aboard USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72).
 

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