Russia's Tank Biathlon

Engineer

Engineer

Major
Blackstone said:
Again, those that make claims must furnish proof. If you believe otherwise, then you live in a different universe than the rest of us. You made wild claims, and you failed to provide proof. I'll let it go at that.
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Again, if you actually have a counter-argument, then let's see it. If my premises are actually factually incorrect, feel free to point them out. But I think we both know you can do neither, which is why you are engaging in red herring.

Let's face it. We are having this discussion not really because we are proving or disproving Russia's cheating. This is about you not able to accept the fact that Chinese equipments can actually outperform others. Your charge that I am supposing and speculating is merely your own projection.:rolleyes:
 
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taxiya

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Blackstone said:
If CCP agrees with you on not complaining about Russian biathlon cheats, then it only started this year. CN internet news complained about Russian cheating last year. Here's one of them:

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Guancha net is like a tabloid, it can say anything just like the Russian scholar I mentioned before. the article is nothing the state would bother to do anything, neither does it represent anybody except the author himself.

The state is constant in its acts.

Also, from the name of the author, I would suspect he is the type of people in China (as some Russians in Russia) who has the intension of sabotaging Sino-Russo relationship for various reasons including (but not necessarily only) being paid by foreign donors, I could be wrong but the chance is there. Why his name? Because I have never (in my life) seen a Chinese working for Chinese state media ever used an English or English styled name to publish articles in a state media. I assure you that if people like him repeatedly doing something "pro-China" on the surface but causing damages in fact, Xi will make them jobless, I have that faith in Xi. Other examples include "long hair Liang guoxiong/Leung Kwok-hung" a politician from Hongkong 长毛梁国雄. He is a stunch anti-Cummunist, anti-Bejing "democratic" fighter, he made the stunt of "landing boats at Diaoyu island" in 2010. China told Hongkong to forbid his boat fleets to sail. In the 1970s, we called these people "打着红旗反红旗", meaning counter revolution in the name of revolution, in today's term, sabotage the motherland in the name of patriotism "爱国贼"/patriotic saboteur.

I think the focus should not be drifted away from the main subject here, the tank biathlon, although what you and I am talking about is relevant, but let's go back to game itself.
 
AssassinsMace

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Remember the international sniper competition that China won and then other competitors claimed China cheated somehow? China didn't run the competition. No proof yet somehow they cheated because they won.
 
Blackstone

Blackstone

Brigadier
taxiya said:
Guancha net is like a tabloid, it can say anything just like the Russian scholar I mentioned before. the article is nothing the state would bother to do anything, neither does it represent anybody except the author himself.

The state is constant in its acts.

Also, from the name of the author, I would suspect he is the type of people in China (as some Russians in Russia) who has the intension of sabotaging Sino-Russo relationship for various reasons including (but not necessarily only) being paid by foreign donors, I could be wrong but the chance is there. Why his name? Because I have never (in my life) seen a Chinese working for Chinese state media ever used an English or English styled name to publish articles in a state media. I assure you that if people like him repeatedly doing something "pro-China" on the surface but causing damages in fact, Xi will make them jobless, I have that faith in Xi. Other examples include "long hair Liang guoxiong/Leung Kwok-hung" a politician from Hongkong 长毛梁国雄. He is a stunch anti-Cummunist, anti-Bejing "democratic" fighter, he made the stunt of "landing boats at Diaoyu island" in 2010. China told Hongkong to forbid his boat fleets to sail. In the 1970s, we called these people "打着红旗反红旗", meaning counter revolution in the name of revolution, in today's term, sabotage the motherland in the name of patriotism "爱国贼"/patriotic saboteur.

I think the focus should not be drifted away from the main subject here, the tank biathlon, although what you and I am talking about is relevant, but let's go back to game itself.
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You mean there are Internet publications in China that can propagate what the CCP wouldn't allow? If not, then whatever it publishes must be ok with The Party, right?
 
Blackstone

Blackstone

Brigadier
Engineer said:
Again, if you actually have a counter-argument, then let's see it. If my premises are actually factually incorrect, feel free to point them out. But I think we both know you can do neither, which is why you are engaging in red herring.

Let's face it. We are having this discussion not really because we are proving or disproving Russia's cheating. This is about you not able to accept the fact that Chinese equipments can actually outperform others. Your charge that I am supposing and speculating is merely your own projection.:rolleyes:
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No, this is about you making wild claims and can't back them up. Again, you said Russia banned China from using PPL-05 in this year's tank biathlon, because it did too well in last year's competition. I ask you to furnish some proof. So, what about it? Where's your evidence?
 
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taxiya

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Blackstone said:
You mean there are Internet publications in China that can propagate what the CCP wouldn't allow? If not, then whatever it publishes must be ok with The Party, right?
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no, not ok, but not worth an act. There are things between the agree and absolutely against, such as on the negative side, there are disagree, dislike, disapproval, inappropriate, not ok, not acceptable, not tolerable, prohibited, punishable by discharge from job, fine, preemptive detention, administrative detention, prison terms of 1 to 10 years, life imprisonment and finally facing a fire squared.

Seriously, you don't live in a binary world, do you?
 
Blackstone

Blackstone

Brigadier
taxiya said:
no, not ok, but not worth an act. There are things between the agree and absolutely against, such as on the negative side, there are disagree, dislike, disapproval, inappropriate, not ok, not acceptable, not tolerable, prohibited, punishable by discharge from job, fine, preemptive detention, administrative detention, prison terms of 1 to 10 years, life imprisonment and finally facing a fire squared.
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I'll accept your statement, because it's plausible.

Seriously, you don't live in a binary world, do you?
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But of course I do! There's day, and then there's night. ;)
 
Equation

Equation

Lieutenant General
Blackstone said:
I'll accept your statement, because it's plausible.


But of course I do! There's day, and then there's night. ;)
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You mean like religious institution believers and non believers?:D The religious believers mental capacity can't handle the facts that a large non-believing nation such as the PRC could do so well at almost everything.
 
Engineer

Engineer

Major
Blackstone said:
No, this is about you making wild claims and can't back them up. Again, you said Russia banned China from using PPL-05 in this year's tank biathlon, because it did too well in last year's competition. I ask you to furnish some proof. So, what about it? Where's your evidence?
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You have been shown evidence in post #117. :rolleyes: Fact: China uses her own equipments for competition whenever possible. Fact: China did use her own equipments known as PLL-05 system for the last year mortar challenge. Fact: Chinese team has to use Russian system this year. Fact: You can't disprove any of the above.

The last bit is important, as it shows what I presented is pretty solid. You can't attack my argument, so you wave your arms wildly in the air saying "wild claims", "supposition", "speculation". The only one who has been making wild claims and don't bother making them up has been you. My advise to you is to quit projecting your own incompetence onto others.

Here is some extra fact for you. The Chinese team completed the race so quickly last year that Russians used fudge factor to deduct points.
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