Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)
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Jura The idiot
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sounds almost as if yahoo.com followed the links from
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pak-fa-fgfa-discussions.t7155/page-54#post-332885
LOL!
It looks as if the combination of structural issues?? 055 Fire and major damage?? rolled on top of the very poor economy, much of that due to sanctions over the Ukraine?? has our girl in a very tough spot??
I am not basing any of the above on this article, which is sketchy and in-accurate to say the least, but my old AFB Gut??? I predict that the Russians will pull out all the stops in courting India and pulling them whole cloth into this project, this is of course limited by the Russians financial ability to bring the prototypes that need to follow on?? if we were to believe the reports, 3 this year??
The Indians have also agreed to consider/purchase the second T-50 development package with the structural upgrades to the Russian standard which is a very "Smart Move" on everyones part.
That young man is why I beg and plead with other members to limit posts to what you can reasonably ascertain is true?? If something is an opinion, or just your gut feeling?? label it as such, please!
Avoid the temptation to post stuff that is clearly in-accurate, and if you do post something of that nature---- please label it as at least questionable?
and let me state for the record, that your posts are always labeled with your own very astute thoughts or questions, which is in the bdpopeye, tphuang, siege crossbow, deino, Jeff Head tradition!
you can make bank on the Sino Defense Forum! no the above list is not comprehensive, and posters like steelbird, equation, player 99, and mirage driver make this forum accurate, entertaining, and authoritative! well done gentlemen!
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Jura The idiot
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one name is clearly and obviously missing: what would the SDF be without Air Force Brat?!
you're much to kind, but greatly appreciated not only as a fellow SDF member but a friend to all.one name is clearly and obviously missing: what would the SDF be without Air Force Brat?!
and back on topic, I really do hope the Indians can keep the PAK-FA fluid as this is a very pretty, outstanding airframe, that will likely make a very fine addition to their Air Force.
Jura The idiot
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Thank you very much. -- even
chuck731
gave me a Like, one ... but one out of maybe five he had ever given, he was so terrible that I still miss him, after about one year since he had been banned, Rolling on Floor Laughing and ending with off-topic Jura
Jura The idiot
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Well here we are again, another AFB prediction coming true, an LRIP batch of aircraft to continue to carry out flight testing and eval, building up to populate one test and eval squadron of 12 LRIP aircraft in order to "prove" the aircraft and its utility.
As I noted earlier, they simply do not have enough prototype aircraft, and losing 055 set the test program back very considerably, and the more numerous structural issues were also a surprise??? after all Sukhoi has a great deal of expertise building very strong aircraft, but carbon fiber is a difficult nut to crack, and titanium is equally difficult to weld.
As well when you begin to tighten tolerances and bring up the heat in those 117s, you run into lots of issues as do any engine designers.
So, this is the right thing to do, in the mean time, it won't surprise me in the least to see them build a mirror image LRIP test squadron for the IAF, and collaborating on this aircraft will spread the risk as well as the financial burden?
I giggled when I saw a member as recently as February this year claim that the T-50 will somehow carry four missiles per bay. Let me give you some facts. The following excerpt is pulled from Wikipedia, and its cited using quite reliable sources (Air International, AviationWeek, flateric and flanker from Secret Projects).
The T-50 has two tandem main internal weapon bays each approximately 4.6 m (15.1 ft) long and 1.0 m (3.3 ft) wide and two small triangular-section weapon bays that protrudes under the fuselage near the wing root. is developing two ejection launchers for the main bays: the UVKU-50L for missiles weighing up to 300 kg (660 lb) and the UVKU-50U for ordinance weighing up to 700 kg (1,500 lb). The aircraft has an internally mounted 9A1-4071K () 30 mm cannon near the right LEVCON root.
There is at most room for three K-77M missiles in each bay, and currently, they only plan on having two of those missiles per bay. While the T-50 is capable of carrying a total of 4 Phoenix-size missiles (two per bay), in terms of quantity the air-to-air loadout of the T-50 will be no more than the F-22.
The T-50 will have little difference from the F-22 in terms of speed performance. The T-50 is limited to Mach 2 due to its materials, and I think the F-22 is also operationally limited at that speed. The T-50 does have greater range due to greater internal fuel capacity. It will also probably have the advantage in maneuverability in pitch and especially in yaw due to LEVCON and canted TVC, but rolling acceleration may be worse because of the bigger inertia from widely spaced engines.
Also, Air Force Brat, do you have the original source about the F-22's sustained g capability? I recall Schwarz saying that the F-22 can pull]/i] 6g at 50,000 ft, but I don't recall him saying that it will sustain it.
The T-50 has two tandem main internal weapon bays each approximately 4.6 m (15.1 ft) long and 1.0 m (3.3 ft) wide and two small triangular-section weapon bays that protrudes under the fuselage near the wing root. is developing two ejection launchers for the main bays: the UVKU-50L for missiles weighing up to 300 kg (660 lb) and the UVKU-50U for ordinance weighing up to 700 kg (1,500 lb). The aircraft has an internally mounted 9A1-4071K () 30 mm cannon near the right LEVCON root.
There is at most room for three K-77M missiles in each bay, and currently, they only plan on having two of those missiles per bay. While the T-50 is capable of carrying a total of 4 Phoenix-size missiles (two per bay), in terms of quantity the air-to-air loadout of the T-50 will be no more than the F-22.
The T-50 will have little difference from the F-22 in terms of speed performance. The T-50 is limited to Mach 2 due to its materials, and I think the F-22 is also operationally limited at that speed. The T-50 does have greater range due to greater internal fuel capacity. It will also probably have the advantage in maneuverability in pitch and especially in yaw due to LEVCON and canted TVC, but rolling acceleration may be worse because of the bigger inertia from widely spaced engines.
Also, Air Force Brat, do you have the original source about the F-22's sustained g capability? I recall Schwarz saying that the F-22 can pull]/i] 6g at 50,000 ft, but I don't recall him saying that it will sustain it.