Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[gelgoog]

I gave you the numbers. The crashed airplane was also named 01.
I am seeing conflicting reports on if they are 7 or 5 aircraft operational.

There are claims 02 Blue and 02 Red are the same aircraft. And there are claims either 02 Blue or 052 Blue was originally T-50-11 prototype.

 

[anzha]

I gave you the numbers. The crashed airplane was also named 01.
I am seeing conflicting reports on if they are 7 or 5 aircraft operational.

Per TASS, the Russians only have 4 operational serial production Su-57s:

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More are planned.

 

[gelgoog]

 

[Gloire_bb]

I gave you the numbers. The crashed airplane was also named 01.
I am seeing conflicting reports on if they are 7 or 5 aircraft operational.

There are claims 02 Blue and 02 Red are the same aircraft. And there are claims either 02 Blue or 052 Blue was originally T-50-11 prototype.

Current consensus is 10 operational a/c, i.e. slightly less than a full squadron.

 

[Stealthflanker]

Why you post article from August? 4 in August + 4 more = 8.

You shoud look at the date of his post.

 

[Deino]

It would be most ironic if the first fight of a 4th generation fighter vs. a 5th generation fighter ended up being an American 4th generation fighter vs. a Russian 5th generation fighter.
For early 2024 Russia will have a full regiment of Su-57s ready

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MilitaryWatchMagazine is pure BS and "Russia will have a full regiment of Su-57s ready" is claimed since years and still nothing happened! And even if, I don't think this will in any way change the outcome of this war.

 

[foxmulder]

MilitaryWatchMagazine is pure BS and "Russia will have a full regiment of Su-57s ready" is claimed since years and still nothing happened! And even if, I don't think this will in any way change the outcome of this war.

Let's put it this way, do you think a full squadron of F-22s can?


Let me answer question for you: 100%, yes, they can.

 

[Right_People]

No PR for them, unlike the T-14s(which as of yet got more than they deserve). Whole Russian air production started growing remarkably silent after summer 2022.

At the end of 2022 they made a small photoshot of the delivery of new Su-57s.









I posted this video in the thread about Russian weapons, the plant that produces them seems to be working 100% on the Su35 and 57.

(1:25 onwards)

There is also the sporadic news more related to the manufacturing industry, in 2022 new workshops were opened regarding the application of invisible paint and some bases receiving upgraded hangars for aircraft.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

At the end of 2022 they made a small photoshot of the delivery of new Su-57s.

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I posted this video in the thread about Russian weapons, the plant that produces them seems to be working 100% on the Su35 and 57.

(1:25 onwards)

There is also the sporadic news more related to the manufacturing industry, in 2022 new workshops were opened regarding the application of invisible paint and some bases receiving upgraded hangars for aircraft.

I believe Su-57 is a substantial upgrade over Su-35 in terms of air to air alone. From my understanding, one of the biggest contributors to aircraft RCS is the retroreflector effect from externally carried munitions. So even just internal munitions alone, with nothing else, are enough to substantially lower RCS.

This should give it a huge advantage over F-16s, along with the better kinematics from 2 engine, thrust vectoring, etc.

 

[gelgoog]

Production of the Su-57 is supposed to increase further after the Su-57M passes trials and is approved into production. Plus it is not like KNAAPO is the only aviation factory in Russia. KNAAPO produced the Su-35, but they also have the factories which build the Su-30 (Irkut), the Su-34 (NAPO), and the MiG-35 (Sokol). All the Flanker factories could likely be converted to produce Su-57 variants if they wanted to. It is just that Irkut and NAPO are supposed to be busy upgrading aircraft to Su-30SM2 and Su-34M status. Sokol still has not got a further order for the MiG-35 and I doubt they still have that many MiG-31 to continue to upgrade to MiG-31BM or MiG-31K. Right now Sokol are only testing out a fly by wire system for the MiG-31. The PAK-DP will only arrive in the end of the decade if at all.

If it was me I would not bother upgrading the Su-30s. The current upgrade is kind of lame anyway since it seems they are not putting the Irbis-E radar in them as planned. Instead I would just convert the facilities at Irkut to produce Su-57Ms. As for the Sokol plant, I would just switch it over to produce the Su-75 whenever that becomes available.