Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

Dizasta1

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gelgoog said:
The Indians promised to fund the development. But in practice the money they actually put into the program was less than what you would pay to get a single production F-35 (without R&D costs). Russia was supposed to develop a twin seat aircraft for India and the Indians were supposed to develop the software. But they weren't happy with that, they just wanted to be able to build the entire aircraft in India. Or they wanted Russia to develop the aircraft on its own and only buy the finished product. So they left the program.
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If one draws comparisons with the over-hyped, so-called "mother of all deals" with dassault, france for 126 mmrca units for india. The hoopla was the manufacturing of the aircraft on home soil. But in the end it fizzled out, and india ended up a heck of a lot more for just 36 Rafales. The "bone of contention" between the indians and the french was india wanting france to assume responsibility for manufacturing the aircraft, on indian soil, in indian manufacturing plants, with indian work force. As lucrative as the 126 mmrca deal may be for france, it would unlikely the french could take any responsibility, for the manufacturing, if everything is indian, subject to indian law and that too on indian soil.

They made a helluva mess with the mmrca deal and I believe they did the same with FGFA and Sukhoi, Russia. One thing is for sure, the indians have at least maintained a track record in screwing big ticket defense deals. Be it france or the Russia Federation.
 
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gelgoog

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It is kind of crappy we did not get a video of the crash. I also do not understand how they could make a serial production unit which crashes when none of the prototypes crashed. Suggests they integrated more things on the production version compared with last prototype and due to poor testing it failed. Either that or quality control issues. It supposedly crashed because of the flight control system but you would expect that to be quite well tested with all the prototypes already flying.
 
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silentlurker

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gelgoog said:
It is kind of crappy we did not get a video of the crash. I also do not understand how they could make a serial production unit which crashes when none of the prototypes crashed. Suggests they integrated more things on the production version compared with last prototype and due to poor testing it failed. Either that or quality control issues. It supposedly crashed because of the flight control system but you would expect that to be quite well tested with all the prototypes already flying.
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Maybe they made a hardware/software change when moving to production from prototype?

I'm sure most programmers here can relate when they upload buggy code: "But it works on the test server!?"
 
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Atomicfrog

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gelgoog said:
It is kind of crappy we did not get a video of the crash. I also do not understand how they could make a serial production unit which crashes when none of the prototypes crashed. Suggests they integrated more things on the production version compared with last prototype and due to poor testing it failed. Either that or quality control issues. It supposedly crashed because of the flight control system but you would expect that to be quite well tested with all the prototypes already flying.
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Software mishap could bring disaster... it's why they are doing pre-delivery flight. You can take for example the Airbus A400M that crashed near Seville in 2015. IIt seems that incorrectly installed engine control software caused the fatal crash. It was on its first pre-delivery test flight and 12 aircrafts had already been delivered before, with the same software.
 
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panzerfeist1

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Holograms demonstrated on the Su-57 I suppose. Credit goes to Jo Asakura(based on two posts it seems recently created an account at paralayboards because key aero is done for) he always finds very interesting information like GaN modules for EW airborne aircrafts among other things. Glad he is still kicking I suppose.
 
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