Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[b787]

Unfortunately the indians are drinking the F-35 cool-aid. They believe that only a super-stealth like that of F-35 (which in itself is inferior to F-22s) is the benchmark they require the Su-57s to reach when it comes to its RCS. To be honest, it doesn't matter what the indians think. They ought to thank their lucky stars they are even getting a genuine Stealth Aircraft. The Russian design approach is different, based on what they deem important for superiority in Air-Combat. Too much emphasis on stealth means you are sacrificing the aircraft's agility. In the age of HOBS/HMD, the agility factor is even more crucial to have. The indian air force is just acting out like a little child. They know that they can't walk away from the FGFA program as there is money invested in this program. They will have a good stealth fighter in the shape of the FGFA. However it won't be the same as Su-57s. The Russians know how cushy their so-called indian allies with America.

Whichever the case, there is no doubt that Russia will consistently and continuously improve and enhance the Su-57's design, capability and performance. This aircraft has a long and prosperous road ahead of it. And there is a lot of great technological innovations which will be incorporated in this aircraft and any other spin-off variants of it.

The reality is India has not officially said they are abandoning PAKFA, nor ROSTEC confirm it.


F-35 is not transferring a lot of technologies, not even to its closes allies to justify a change in program.


Second the Russian aircraft carrier design is for Russian aircraft, F-35 hardly will be bought.

F-35B hardly will be chosen.

Indian Aerospace Behemoth Strongly Advocates FGFA Project With Russia
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A high-level committee set up by the Indian government to examine various aspects of the project has recently submitted a report, and the defense ministry is likely to take a call on it soon.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — India's state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has termed the Indo-Russia Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft project as the best technology offer India has ever received, and that it is a great opportunity for India as a country and for the defense industry as well.

HAL Chairman T Suvarna Raju said he hoped India's Ministry of Defense would soon sanction the project while claiming that the first aircraft would be ready in three years from the date of approval.

"We are still hopeful. It is an opportunity for the industry as well as for the country. This is an opportunity for us to go in for this kind of technology which has not been offered to us by any other country," Raju said.



The Indo-Russia FGFA project was started in 2007 when both countries signed an intergovernmental pact and completed the preliminary design in 2013. India has spent $240 million to date towards the project, which in India is called the "Perspective Multirole Fighter."


However, delays were caused by New Delhi and Moscow disagreeing over many fundamental aspects of the joint development project, including work and cost share, aircraft technology, as well as the number of aircraft to be ordered.

"Technology-wise, we have done the preliminary design already. It's just one step more to move on to. The fifth generation is an opportunity for India to learn the technologies and I would definitely see this will be the first project, the way the contract has been written, it has lots of benefits and it will definitely have a very positive impact," Raju added.




Earlier this month, Indian Air Chief BS Dhanoa had said that the ball is in the government's court. "The case is with the Ministry of Defense. The Varthaman committee has submitted its report, which is classified and we have also given our response," Dhanoa told reporters ahead of Air Force Day.


The Russian-Indian Sukhoi/HAL FGFA will be based on the Russian PAK FA T-50 prototype jet. Russia has developed six T-50 prototypes and the second stage of the trial is underway following the completion of the first set of flight tests. It is likely to be completed by 2018, paving the way for the serial production of the aircraft for induction into services starting 2019.

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[ougoah]

Might have just been Indian media pulling the usual stunt. We'll see if they purchase and how many in the coming decade but it'll be a very long time before we see Su-57 in Indian colours if ever. Be another year? before RuAF gets their first batch with iz.117 engines.

I've noticed a lot of Russian propaganda sites propagate the theory of Israeli F-35 being hit by S-200. Some people are going crazy over this and believing it at face value. Seems unlikely to be true since F-35 isn't in service with Israeli airforce yet. They somehow still managed to land and recover the fighter despite being hit even indirectly? Also the images used by these sites are fake so none of it adds up. S-200 is antiquated system. I doubt it can hit F-16s let alone F-35. If it could, we would have seen many Israeli losses in F-15 and F-16s in the past 3 decades yet nothing. So someone is telling tall tales and I think it's the Russian arms sellers and government.

 

[b787]

In this video Alexei Leonkov from the Magazine "Arsenal of the homeland"affirms T-50 can achieve at this moment a supercruise speed of 1500 km/h, this is said at minute 55:00

 

[b787]

In this video Alexei Leonkov from the Magazine "Arsenal of the homeland"affirms T-50 can achieve at this moment a supercruise speed of 1500 km/h, this is said at minute 57:00

Sorry I made a mistake it was minute 57

 

[Jura The idiot]

In this video Alexei Leonkov from the Magazine "Arsenal of the homeland"affirms T-50 can achieve at this moment a supercruise speed of 1500 km/h, this is said at minute 55:00

Sorry I made a mistake it was minute 57

the whole sentence is, my translation, The cruise speed of an F-35 is 850 kilometers per hour; the cruise speed of a T-50 is about 1500 kilometers per hour.

just saying

 

[b787]

the whole sentence is, my translation, The cruise speed of an F-35 is 850 kilometers per hour; the cruise speed of a T-50 is about 1500 kilometers per hour.

just saying

yes it says that, they are comparing PAKFA and F-35 and the title says all, battle for the sky USA scare of Russia

 

[FORBIN]

yes it says that, they are comparing PAKFA and F-35 and the title says all, battle for the sky USA scare of Russia

1500 km/h it means SC but not exact the true mach 1.6
F-35 have a cruise speed of mach 0.85/1040 km/h ,

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capable eventualy... SC mach 1.2

F-22 and Su-57 mach 1 max
transonic, subsonic ?

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[siegecrossbow]

Might have just been Indian media pulling the usual stunt. We'll see if they purchase and how many in the coming decade but it'll be a very long time before we see Su-57 in Indian colours if ever. Be another year? before RuAF gets their first batch with iz.117 engines.

I've noticed a lot of Russian propaganda sites propagate the theory of Israeli F-35 being hit by S-200. Some people are going crazy over this and believing it at face value. Seems unlikely to be true since F-35 isn't in service with Israeli airforce yet. They somehow still managed to land and recover the fighter despite being hit even indirectly? Also the images used by these sites are fake so none of it adds up. S-200 is antiquated system. I doubt it can hit F-16s let alone F-35. If it could, we would have seen many Israeli losses in F-15 and F-16s in the past 3 decades yet nothing. So someone is telling tall tales and I think it's the Russian arms sellers and government.

The Israelis F-35s are definitely in service. However, we are not sure whether they are currently operating in air-ground missions in Syria.

 

[ougoah]

They are in possession of F-35s sure. But none of those were officially dropping bombs or in active operation in that region when it allegedly happened. There's enough evidence of that. There's always the chance the Israelis are using them off the books but that's unknown.

Consider what we do know. Russians are generally not stupid and they're leaders, decision makers, less so. Their economy is in shambles and they don't have that much to spend. This has been more or less true since the 80s. They must know how capable their S-200 system is. If it is indeed as capable as some people here and elsewhere claim, would they have invested the decades and billions in developing several newer and more potent SAMs since S-200 came out? If an 80s model S-200 could unknowingly defeat 21st century stealth fighters, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume the 1980s Russians buying and using this SAM is comfortable enough with shooting down F-15s and F-16s without considering any replacements for decades? Why S-300 and it's upgrades and then S-400 and possibly S-500? Surely S-500 would be capable of shooting down UFOs from Andromeda if S-200 is such an amazing piece of tech. It's absolute bullshit even if Israel is flying their F-35s around doing attack runs. I'd believe S-400 in Syria being capable of this but never S-200 unless it was some sort of miracle lucky shot at a stupid and unlucky F-35. But if that were the case, then it's not really repeatable and a worthless piece of S-200 promotion. Either way none of this in any possible circumstance will give credence to Russian tech and their S-200.

 

[manqiangrexue]

They are in possession of F-35s sure. But none of those were officially dropping bombs or in active operation in that region when it allegedly happened. There's enough evidence of that. There's always the chance the Israelis are using them off the books but that's unknown.

Consider what we do know. Russians are generally not stupid and they're leaders, decision makers, less so. Their economy is in shambles and they don't have that much to spend. This has been more or less true since the 80s. They must know how capable their S-200 system is. If it is indeed as capable as some people here and elsewhere claim, would they have invested the decades and billions in developing several newer and more potent SAMs since S-200 came out? If an 80s model S-200 could unknowingly defeat 21st century stealth fighters, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume the 1980s Russians buying and using this SAM is comfortable enough with shooting down F-15s and F-16s without considering any replacements for decades? Why S-300 and it's upgrades and then S-400 and possibly S-500? Surely S-500 would be capable of shooting down UFOs from Andromeda if S-200 is such an amazing piece of tech. It's absolute bullshit even if Israel is flying their F-35s around doing attack runs. I'd believe S-400 in Syria being capable of this but never S-200 unless it was some sort of miracle lucky shot at a stupid and unlucky F-35. But if that were the case, then it's not really repeatable and a worthless piece of S-200 promotion. Either way none of this in any possible circumstance will give credence to Russian tech and their S-200.

I don't know what happened but in my opinion, I don't dismiss the possibility of S-200 hitting F-35. Pilot mistakes and conditions of the day have effect on real operations; maybe the F-35 overlooked the SAM and turned right into its perfect firing range, giving its belly to the SAM's detectors. But it doesn't mean that S-200 is a shoo-in for killing F-35. It's all a matter of conditions, operation, and chance. Maybe under the circumstances of the day, the S-200 had a 8% chance to hit the F-35 and it got lucky. Of course Russia will make S-300, 400, 500. Maybe under the same circumstances, those later models would have 30% chance, 60% chance, 90% chance, respectively, of taking down the F-35. Of course I'm making up numbers but I'm just demonstrating that tech A vs. tech B isn't a constant/consistent/stable yes or no, but rather a likelihood of success given the circumstances of the day and improving your tech simply improves your likelihood of success.