Russian Navy sinks Chinese merchant ship!

mkruo · Feb 22, 2009

regarding this incident, i read an article on this site

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that provides an alternate explanation to this incident.

in this article, it explains that the russian Coast Guard and Naval forces were ‘forced’ to sink the Chinese registered cargo ship New Star bound for US Port of Seattle after it refused orders to stop and be boarded over fears it was carrying a ‘missing’ nuclear warhead from a Russian Topol-M intercontinental ballistics missile (details pls read on provided link above).

this explains why the russian side overreact as most of u guys have pointed out in handling this incident. what u guys think...

this site (click go to main page on bottom) contains articles that might considered by some as purely conspiracy theorist, but hey the world we're living at and things that happen is not that simple as it appears. i just want to present an alternate explanation for you guys to consider things as it happens...

SampanViking · Feb 22, 2009

I actually suspect something far murkier to do with Internal Russian politics.

Hu and Putin are well established friends, but Putin and Mebvedev have "issues" regarding a protege of Mebvedev's who has recently become Governor of Russia's Far East who has openly critised Putin and encouraged anti Putin demonstrations in Vladivostok etc.

I suspect Hu is helping Putin by using this incident as a stick with which to beat his critic!

PrOeLiTeZ · Feb 22, 2009

mkruo said:
regarding this incident, i read an article on this site

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that provides an alternate explanation to this incident.

in this article, it explains that the russian Coast Guard and Naval forces were ‘forced’ to sink the Chinese registered cargo ship New Star bound for US Port of Seattle after it refused orders to stop and be boarded over fears it was carrying a ‘missing’ nuclear warhead from a Russian Topol-M intercontinental ballistics missile (details pls read on provided link above).

this explains why the russian side overreact as most of u guys have pointed out in handling this incident. what u guys think...

this site (click go to main page on bottom) contains articles that might considered by some as purely conspiracy theorist, but hey the world we're living at and things that happen is not that simple as it appears. i just want to present an alternate explanation for you guys to consider things as it happens...

missing nuke warhead, if thats true then either Russia has a sloppy military or has corrupted officials.

crobato · Feb 23, 2009

It either sounds too crazy or just plain Hollywood-like.

If there is a missing warhead that's good reason to panic.

Finn McCool · Feb 23, 2009

crobato said:
It either sounds too crazy or just plain Hollywood-like.

If there is a missing warhead that's good reason to panic.

That website didn't seem too credible. Aside from the fact that it was saying "Obama and his globalist conspiracy want to execute a false flag operation like 9/11" it also said that the stolen warhead came from a Topol-M, which is unlikely considering that the Topol-M is a frontline system and there are poorly-secured nuclear stockpiles around Russia.

rhino123 · Feb 23, 2009

I am no expert in Navy ships. But I keep seeing this news that Russia had fired around 500 rounds at a merchant ship... Questions,

What type of ships are Russia coast guard using? Five hundred rounds? What calibre? If it were large artillery rounds, does it remotely seemed possible that the coast guard ship carry so many rounds or was it many ships that are attacking the merchant ship at the same time.

If the calibres are small, I don't believe it will actually sink the ship. Also if they are firing delibrately at the Merchant Ship... either the Russian are wearing spectacle as thick as mine... they couldn't have miss it, and I don't believe it take 500 rounds to sink a ship...

There are so many areas in this scenario that are questionable. We do not just take the media reports as real. Lets wait for more news before jumping into conclusion.

panzerkom · Feb 23, 2009

rhino123 said:
I am no expert in Navy ships. But I keep seeing this news that Russia had fired around 500 rounds at a merchant ship... Questions,

What type of ships are Russia coast guard using? Five hundred rounds? What calibre? If it were large artillery rounds, does it remotely seemed possible that the coast guard ship carry so many rounds or was it many ships that are attacking the merchant ship at the same time.

If the calibres are small, I don't believe it will actually sink the ship. Also if they are firing delibrately at the Merchant Ship... either the Russian are wearing spectacle as thick as mine... they couldn't have miss it, and I don't believe it take 500 rounds to sink a ship...

There are so many areas in this scenario that are questionable. We do not just take the media reports as real. Lets wait for more news before jumping into conclusion.

I'm guessing it's a Grisha-III or smaller boat, so it would be a dual 57mm mount. Only if anyone here can read Russian, we'd be able to get more raw material, since the Russian media broke the news first.

SteelBird · Feb 23, 2009

panzerkom said:
I'm guessing it's a Grisha-III or smaller boat, so it would be a dual 57mm mount. Only if anyone here can read Russian, we'd be able to get more raw material, since the Russian media broke the news first.

I read from some news said it was an armed tow-ship. A tow-ship being armed? 500 rounds of small caliber cannon eventually injure the merchant ship. According to the news, the ship turned back to the port under escort of the murderer ship. Because it was injured (badly?) and the wind/wave went up to the 6 grade, that made it sunk.

Gollevainen · Feb 24, 2009

Russian goast guard (or the equalent) has armed tugs which features pair of the AK-230 AA guns.

panzerkom · Feb 24, 2009

Gollevainen said:
Russian goast guard (or the equalent) has armed tugs which features pair of the AK-230 AA guns.

That sounds plausible too. The original report quoted by Popeye mentions a "cruiser" of the "Russian navy," which is why I was guessing it's a large-ish corvette-size vessel instead of just a patrol boat. But in either case, I'm just gonna say this: stupid civilian reporters.

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