Maybe they are referring 1036 planes between propeller and jet planes, if that is the case maybe is not that unrealistic.
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Still, market size needs to be considered. I also see 1000 planes is rather optimistic.. If they can export that it would probably be more realistic. How many aircrafts tho needed by Russian civil aviations ? particularly for domestic one.
The other concern is delivery time.. how long the airliners have to wait until they get the plane they ordered. Russian civil aviation still relies on western type which got under sanction.. and these aircrafts needs periodic maintenance and spares. The industry then needs to be able to deliver the aircraft and re-train the pilots for it in the time where the airliners can still make money (having flyable aircraft).
It would be a pain to see the airliners got bankrupt waiting for new aircraft.
The other concern is delivery time.. how long the airliners have to wait until they get the plane they ordered. Russian civil aviation still relies on western type which got under sanction.. and these aircrafts needs periodic maintenance and spares. The industry then needs to be able to deliver the aircraft and re-train the pilots for it in the time where the airliners can still make money (having flyable aircraft).
It would be a pain to see the airliners got bankrupt waiting for new aircraft.
Well. Russia can make 300 to 400 choppers a year. Almost all of them with digital cockpits and long life engines.
I think making reliable choppers (high tempo sortie rate) and with so many different configurations is as challenging as passenger airlines.
latest Mi-171A3 and Mi-38 are designed for over 1000km distance and can deal with extreme climates.
so the industrial capacity for certified aviation products is there.
I think making reliable choppers (high tempo sortie rate) and with so many different configurations is as challenging as passenger airlines.
latest Mi-171A3 and Mi-38 are designed for over 1000km distance and can deal with extreme climates.
so the industrial capacity for certified aviation products is there.
how many firms in world can build choppers that can match current comfort, range and reliability standards in medium heavy weight class?. still maintain high cruising speed with external fuel tanks.
VIP version of heavy choppers are no less expensive than airlines.
Building Boeing or Airbus is slow and inefficient because it is a politicized supply chain spreading jobs across the territories of as many key stakeholders as possible. If you design a supply chain for efficiency or strategic resilience instead of political resilience, you end up with very different production rates.
Well, but Russia has such an efficient supply chain and manufacturing process?
AFAIK they never had one nor a reliable supply chain and still with - as per your claim: inefficient way of manufacturing - the World is buying only Airbus and Boeing. So there must be something wring with your assumptions?
You really want to tell us that making a VIP version of an updated Mi-171 or even Mi-38 is as difficult and complex like building a modern airliner?!!
Come on, why then with all these magical abilities Russia never made one? Since they wanted to leave this open field of income to Boeing and Airbus?
Isn't it much more reasonably that they lack certain things and these may not even be technical things but management, running a program and so on?
Really... unbelievable your way of thinking, in this desperate clinging to old hopes of being on the same technical level.
The Mi-171A3 is basically a new helicopter.
Compare it with the original Mi-17.
The global commercial helicopter market also evolves technologically a lot slower than the commercial airplane market. One proof of that is that most helicopters sold today still do not come with fly by wire as standard.
The main issue with Russian helicopter development right now is lack of suitable engines for production. Klimov is developing the VK-650 and VK-1600 engines, Aviadvigatel is developing the PD-12V, and someone else is developing the VK-800 engine. Unless those engine projects come to fruition, and Klimov does not have the best track record of delivering on new engine designs, the production of helicopters like the Ansat, Ka-226, Ka-62 will remain severely constrained or nil. So we will likely see mostly more Mi-17 derivatives.
The Mi-38 did start deliveries to the Russian Air Force recently but it remains to be seen if the engines it uses will be a source of concern like they were while in the Il-112.
Compare it with the original Mi-17.
The global commercial helicopter market also evolves technologically a lot slower than the commercial airplane market. One proof of that is that most helicopters sold today still do not come with fly by wire as standard.
The main issue with Russian helicopter development right now is lack of suitable engines for production. Klimov is developing the VK-650 and VK-1600 engines, Aviadvigatel is developing the PD-12V, and someone else is developing the VK-800 engine. Unless those engine projects come to fruition, and Klimov does not have the best track record of delivering on new engine designs, the production of helicopters like the Ansat, Ka-226, Ka-62 will remain severely constrained or nil. So we will likely see mostly more Mi-17 derivatives.
The Mi-38 did start deliveries to the Russian Air Force recently but it remains to be seen if the engines it uses will be a source of concern like they were while in the Il-112.
So you think its less complex? who can built comparable. Marine-1 can cost $200m and that will be pre-covid prices.You really want to tell us that making a VIP version of an updated Mi-171 or even Mi-38 is as difficult and complex like building a modern airliner?!!
Mi-38 is highly automated. One or two crews. made with composites, FBW, engines in fuselage further in rear for noise reduction, 6 tons inside while 7 ton on sling in cargo version.
Boeing will survive but Airbus will pay the price. Start with titanium and aluminum in airframe.
Airbus need external help to design and mass produce.