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Stealthflanker said:

Eh you forget that BMP-2 also bring Konkurs ATGM with it.

Where do you think the spare missiles are stored.

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Not many Russian BMP-2 are driving with Konkurs. Anyhow, even if they all full load it's much smaller amount of high-explosives stored vs BMP-3. There is also BMP-3 variant what has BMP-2 turret made for Russian marines if I remember correctly.

PLA's most modern IFV is same style death trap as BMP-3... I wonder if they fix it with new turret.

Broccoli said:

Not many Russian BMP-2 are driving with Konkurs. Anyhow, even if they all full load it's much smaller amount of high-explosives stored vs BMP-3. There is also BMP-3 variant what has BMP-2 turret made for Russian marines if I remember correctly.

PLA's most modern IFV is same style death trap as BMP-3... I wonder if they fix it with new turret.

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Well carrying smaller amount of munitions wont make it any less death trap than BMP3's. If it got hit.. fire still occurs and anyone inside the turret or even in passanger compartment can die from it.

The only fix is to increase protection. But then this will bring the IFV in the range of 30-40 tonnes or even 55-60 tonnes. and unfortunately those cannot be made to swim.

Stealthflanker said:

Well carrying smaller amount of munitions wont make it any less death trap than BMP3's. If it got hit.. fire still occurs and anyone inside the turret or even in passanger compartment can die from it.

The only fix is to increase protection. But then this will bring the IFV in the range of 30-40 tonnes or even 55-60 tonnes. and unfortunately those cannot be made to swim.

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You are less likely to die if your vehicle doesnt blow up.

No?

Broccoli said:

You are less likely to die if your vehicle doesnt blow up.

No?

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Well can't die too if the enemy round didnt penetrate. You somehow think turret with lesser firepower can solve the issue when the real thing is in the design in the first place.

The point is with BMP's or that Chinese IFV which i believe you refer to ZBD-04 was that it needs to be amphibious and therefore have rather weak protection in the first place. Ideally they rely on spotting enemy first then blast it with their gun or ATGM's. Or be in combined arms with tanks and dismounted infantry which will prowl the surroundings and direct the BMP's firepower.

The solution is improved protection. But it will sacrifice their amphibious capability. That's how you dont get blown up in the first place.

Even if Russia were to switch to BMP-3 with Epoch turret which is non penetrating with complete separation between munitions and men.. when it got hit with ATGM.. things will always get messy inside.

You understand ? No ? didnt get my point ? the long story short would be. Producing BMP-2 wont save the day period.

Stealthflanker said:

Well carrying smaller amount of munitions wont make it any less death trap than BMP3's. If it got hit.. fire still occurs and anyone inside the turret or even in passanger compartment can die from it.

The only fix is to increase protection. But then this will bring the IFV in the range of 30-40 tonnes or even 55-60 tonnes. and unfortunately those cannot be made to swim.

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BMP3 or BMP2... any of them will be disabled by an ATGM and have a huge chance to become a fiery explosion anyway...A good hit on any MBT will do the same. At first glance a BMP need enough armor to protect from shrapnel and mg and carry troop faster than on foot. You can put icing on it and raising the cost big time but in the end... it's firstly an armored truck with a support gun.

If they find it most cost or logistic effective, it's not a big issue.

Atomicfrog said:

BMP3 or BMP2... any of them will be disabled by an ATGM and have a huge chance to become a fiery explosion anyway...A good hit on any MBT will do the same. At first glance a BMP need enough armor to protect from shrapnel and mg and carry troop faster than on foot. You can put icing on it and raising the cost big time but in the end... it's firstly an armored truck with a support gun.

If they find it most cost or logistic effective, it's not a big issue.

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and then somehow someone tries to explain it based on munitions being carried..

The logic on restarting BMP-2 "production" or refurbishment can be explained more reasonably that it may go to DNR or LNR or maybe new "Administrative" Oblast Russian may make in Ukraine. Leaving more modern BMP-3 to their regulars like recent appearance of T-62.

Despite all its firepower, the Russian Terminator tank fire support fighting vehicle also uses elements of protection. We are publishing footage of the installation of an aerosol curtain of the BMPT "Terminator". For the smoke screen in the Terminator BMPT, an 81-mm 3D17 smoke grenade is used. The installation of such a curtain significantly weakens and reflects optical radiation, including laser radiation, thereby disrupting the process of targeting missiles by the enemy.

Cool show... use of such tho in real combat situation might require sort of early warning device e.g Laser warning. Are this system present in the regular Russian tanks e.g T-72B3's ?

Stealthflanker said:

Eh you forget that BMP-2 also bring Konkurs ATGM with it.

Where do you think the spare missiles are stored.

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The proper answer apparently is B-19 asap(the only thing properly tested and ready for introduction).
But then again, it requires a whole bunch of new ammo types to be put into production - there is no point in new vehicle if there is no ammo stock for it.

But otherwise, the main (and the weirdest) screw-up here was that for some strange reason, BMP-2M program only began a couple of years ago - and when they went to war, they ignored (!) that there are excellent armor screens for them.
That modernization was available since the late 2000s(Algeria has hundreds of those), and it could start at least at the same time as T-72B3 program did.

Stealthflanker said:

Cool show... use of such tho in real combat situation might require sort of early warning device e.g Laser warning. Are this system present in the regular Russian tanks e.g T-72B3's ?

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All variants of T-90 have it (distinctive pairs of "eyes").