Just to be sure: when PLAN conducts joint exercises with the Vietnamese fleet, it also crosses Chinese red lines?
Shouldn't it be invaded by the central military district?
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Shouldn't it be invaded by the central military district?
This is a fighter for countries that want a 5th gen but don't want to or can't deal with the US.
And this is something that will affect the KFX and the Turkish fighter, who rely on american tech and know-how, so you might as well buy the F-35 if you have to put up the gringos.
Just to be sure: when the Chinese Southern fleet conducts joint exercises with the Vietnamese fleet, it also crosses Chinese red lines?
Shouldn't it be invaded by the central military district?
While there is a whole lot of mutual animosity - for which China is somewhat responsible - Vietnam isn't exactly a predetermined enemy of China.
Furthermore - even the US, with all their ability to do stupid dogmatical mistakes, are smart enough to not force "them or us" on countries like India. Here you are doing it on Russia. Nice plan.
If anything, Russian credibility in SEA has already dwindled quite a lot because it says&acts a lot in unison with China - more so than China does in Europe.
Cut the cheap and misguided jingonationalism. Your main trading partner is the US, an "enemy" of Russia and China is also looking for projects with nazi Ukraine, another "enemy" of Russia, by your shortsighted logic.
Welcome to the real world, were pragmatism rules supreme. Except for the US and the EU/UK, who are a bunch of morons.
I’ve never understood the fear of Israel (actually, I do, and it’s irrational) expressed by so many on this site either, but ...
However, the Russians have has to sell to whoever they can ‘cause they ain’t doing too well right now economically
Additionally, why are some so quick to declare Vietnam an “enemy”? I think in this case adversary would be a better term. Is there no room for common ground with Vietnam (notice I didn’t mention India)?
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Nobody who has been paying attention would classify China and Russia as allies. China didn't support Russian annexation of Crimea at UN and Russia supplies India with vast quantities of weapons. Their only cooperation is through their collective hatred of the West. When Putin dies, it's likely the next guy will be a full Westphile and work with US to contain China. By then, though, China will be too big to contain even with Russia against them.
This guy gets it.
Well, there’Il be no more speculations based on grainy reveal pics from me.
Actually, this thing ain’t that impressive, visually, that is.
However, a “stealth”-y MiG 21 type for the early 21st century might be just what the developing-nation market needs. In that case we could see this thing enjoy a long production/export run.
My biggest concern for China with this platform is the competition it may provide for potential customers like Iran.
Russia’s potential (probable) re-western orientation and the strategic implications for China have been discussed here before. Some see it as unlikely, I, and some others, see it as probable. Russia has always seen itself as a European nation. Turkey, tho’, has me scratchin’ my head.
If I was US, I would encourage Russia to export as many 5th gen to India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc... "Checkmate" on Chinese ambitions in SCS. US can't sell it directly, but Russia can.
A Nixon-style detente between Russia and US is highly possible if China gets too strong. Just as China became a quasi-US ally after Sino-Soviet split, it's possible it can flip the other way too. But as @Bob Smith mentioned, even if US-Russia try to contain China, it will be too late by then because China will be too strong by then.
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