TerraN_EmpirE
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Because at this point I am kinda skeptical on that myself, since the US pulled out of INF it’s all mute.
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Because at this point I am kinda skeptical on that myself, since the US pulled out of INF it’s all mute.
So Russia has launched the third and supposedly last of its 33,540 tonnes nuclear icebreakers. So does this mean the Baltic Shipyard now has two dry docks large enough to build a Kirov-class battlecruiser empty and available again? This ship is 173m long and 34m wide.
Nuclear-powered icebreaker Ural launched in St Petersburg
May 25, 18:21 updated at: May 25, 18:28 UTC+3
After being put into service, the icebreakers of that class will keep navigation in the Arctic open all year round
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© Petr Kovalev/TASS
ST. PETERSBURG, May 25. /TASS/. The Ural, a third nuclear-powered icebreaker of Project 22220, was launched into the water at the Baltic Shipyards in St. Petersburg on Saturday, TASS reported.
"Today we are floating the third ship, or the second serial one of Project 22220 - the Ural. They are the ships from new generation icebreakers of that class that we pin our hopes on in exploration of the Northern Sea Route. It is a principally new ship," Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said at the ceremony.
According to Baltic Shipyards Director General Alexei Kadilov, these icebreakers are powered by a new module nuclear reactor, which is much more powerful than on previous vessels of Project 22220, along with a brand-new electric propulsion system made in Russia.
"And the most important thing is a new turbine which will provide 40-year operation for the icebreaker," Kadilov told reporters.
The universal nuclear-powered icebreakers of Project 22220 are designed to become the world’s largest and most powerful nuclear-powered icebreakers. Besides the Ural, the Arktika and the Sibir vessels are under construction at the Baltic Shipyards.
After being put into service, the icebreakers of that class will keep navigation in the Arctic open all year round. They will be capable of breaking through ice up to three meters thick to make way for convoys of ships. Apart from that, the icebreakers will help ensure transportation of hydrocarbons from the Yamal and Gydan peninsulas to Asia Pacific.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
It’s almost 1/3 shorter and 1/2 slimmer than the Kuznetsov so questionable.
Well duh, of course the Kuznetsov is larger. That is a carrier. The Kuznetsov was built in Ukraine but the Kirov-class battlecruisers were built precisely on the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg. The dry docks in St. Petersburg aren't large enough to build a carrier like that.
Still, the dry dock doesn't necessarily need to have the same width as the ship. That is especially the case for a carrier. There were proposals to build a larger dry dock in an island in St. Petersburg but they never funded that construction. Now that they have the Kerch shipyards in Crimea they might never even do it.
Still, the dry dock doesn't necessarily need to have the same width as the ship. That is especially the case for a carrier. There were proposals to build a larger dry dock in an island in St. Petersburg but they never funded that construction. Now that they have the Kerch shipyards in Crimea they might never even do it.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Kirov is still longer than that Icebreaker. But what good would cranking out an antique like that do?
Dizasta1
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Wouldn't it be more prudent to build Lider Nuclear Cruisers and/or larger Destroyer Class Gorshkovs? Before they decide to build Aircraft Carriers?
It is likely that the Russian Federation plans and builds more frigates and destroyers so as to add more firepower to it's Navy, and thus usher the retirement of the Soviet era ships? Alternatively, it could prove useful to restore and upgrade the other two Kirov Class Nuclear Cruisers, so that the Russian Navy has a total of four of these giants in service.
TerraN_EmpirE
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I think it would be more productive to repair and upgrade the existing carrier before setting to lofty battle cruisers.
It is likely they will simply build more nuclear icebreakers though. Russia has increasingly been using the Northern Route more to transport increasing quantities of LNG via tanker. Three nuclear icebreakers will likely not be enough.
But yes, these same facilities could build something like the Lider. Those shipyards aren't large enough to build a carrier however.
The problem with upgrading the Kirov-class battlecruisers, is that the upgrade cost is so large and time consuming you would probably be better off building all new ships. At least that's what it looks like with the Admiral Nakhahimov. That is why they are going to cut two of them up. Still, I think the Russians will eventually build large nuclear powered cruisers again. They simply don't have enough foreign naval bases, resupply ships, and the main interest areas for their navy are way too spread apart.
If it was me, I would not even upgrade the Peter the Great battlecruiser.
From what I have heard, the plan is to build two more icebreakers of this Project 22220 class, if they take the same amount of time to be built they'll take 3 years to be launched from keel laying. That would fit in the timeframe when the Lider design is supposed to be finished.
The destroyers are supposed to be replaced with the Project 22350M design ships of which allegedly they will build a dozen. Although that number seems kind of bogus to me. I wonder if it does not apply to both 22350 and 22350M together.
But yes, these same facilities could build something like the Lider. Those shipyards aren't large enough to build a carrier however.
The problem with upgrading the Kirov-class battlecruisers, is that the upgrade cost is so large and time consuming you would probably be better off building all new ships. At least that's what it looks like with the Admiral Nakhahimov. That is why they are going to cut two of them up. Still, I think the Russians will eventually build large nuclear powered cruisers again. They simply don't have enough foreign naval bases, resupply ships, and the main interest areas for their navy are way too spread apart.
If it was me, I would not even upgrade the Peter the Great battlecruiser.
From what I have heard, the plan is to build two more icebreakers of this Project 22220 class, if they take the same amount of time to be built they'll take 3 years to be launched from keel laying. That would fit in the timeframe when the Lider design is supposed to be finished.
The destroyers are supposed to be replaced with the Project 22350M design ships of which allegedly they will build a dozen. Although that number seems kind of bogus to me. I wonder if it does not apply to both 22350 and 22350M together.
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