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gelgoog

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The EU alone has half a billion people. What did you expect?
The EU's issue was never the resources. The issue is a lack of unified command and will. Plus there is no integrated military with comprehensive full spectrum capabilities.
That means in any conflict the response will be lackluster.

The US is supposedly replacing the A-10 with the F-35. So they have no replacement either.

Yes, Russia has had brain drain, and lost industry in 90s, but the budget is still high enough given their GDP.
The corruption on military contracts is not an issue unique to Russia.
Meanwhile the industry is being rebuilt and a lot of new talents have been trained.
They are not past the hump, that may take another decade. But at least they can defend themselves.
Two decades ago even that was in question.
Today they even have limited expeditionary capabilities.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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The comparison of Russia vs USA gives quite interesting results.

Example, if we compare the price of MIG-29 vs F-18 ( roughly same category ) ,then the 2014 procurement of both aircraft was approx 50 million vs 1 billion rouble .

It gives 1:20 exchange rate.


Now, if we correct the data with the population size then the result will be in the 55% range of economical capacity of Russia vs USA per capita.

The same data is 66% for the UK vs USA. ( using exchange rate) , and 52% for Italy.


Quite hard to get data for Chinese procurement prices, but I think those can give similar results.
 
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gelgoog

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The M1 has used the same crappy gas turbine engine for how long already?

The Russians have the T-14, the South Koreans have the K2, the Japanese have the Type 10, heck even the French Leclerc is a relatively recent design compared with the M1.
Or the T-72 or the T-80 for that matter.

Yet the French have a joint program with the Germans intended to replace the Leclerc.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
gelgoog said:
The M1 has used the same crappy gas turbine engine for how long already?
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That "Crappy" gas Turbine has been modified and upgraded a number of times. It offers excellent power to weight vs a conventional turbo diesel. Being significantly lighter than a conventional engine in the same class and reduced maintenance demands. The Fuel economy costs are almost marginal when you consider the costs applied to Turbo charged Diesals. It also starts easier in extreme cold will run on just about any fuel you can think of. That's why the T80 has used a "Crappy" Gas turbine of its own.
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The Russians have the T-14
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even has a toilet but they have how many Now? A couple dozen Maybe? With revised plans now for 100 by 2025?
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the South Koreans have the K2
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Your point? They still operate K1A1 to and they have some T80 from Russia. They designed K2 as they wanted a tank better suited to Mountain fights and so that they could up gun to a 140mm gun down the line.
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the Japanese have the Type 10
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And still operate Type 90. The Japanese wanted a tank that could move across Japan's mountains Bridges and Islands as well as be able to move from island to island.
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heck even the French Leclerc
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Which entered service in 1993 after eleven years of design. The Same time the Abrams was upgraded to M1A1.
Leclerc performs on par with NATO tanks like Leopard 2 and Abrams it doesn't surpass them.

Abrams first entered service as the M1 in 1980 it was designed in the late 1970s. And has continually been modified and improved. Based on its growth potential the SEP series being the latest.
T72? Entered production 1971. Has been heavily upgraded.
T80? 1975. Has been heavily upgraded but got a bloody nose in the Chechen war. However that had more to do with the state of the Russian army than the tank.
T90 is a bit of a hybrid of T80 and T72 with some upgrades.
Leopard 2? 1979. "Oh but it suffered in Turkey" because older versions and was used improperly. A tank can be killed I don't care who's tank it is if it's not used properly it can be killed.

If just being a newer tank was a sign of a better tank than Challenger 2 entered service in 1998. After Leclerc after Abrams after T90.

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Yet the French have a joint program with the Germans intended to replace the Leclerc.
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First the French and Germans are pushing a European union centric program across defence. They want a "Euro-Corps" with Europe armed troops.
The French joined for a future tank. The Germans pushed as they are the economic and political european iron thrown. And are the leaders in large caliber guns. The Euro tank will not emerge until the end of the coming decade.
The U.S. has a program for a future tank by the end of the coming decade.

For today the Tanks we have listed are all third gens and more or less operate with parity depending on variant not family or age of interdiction of first variant.
A brand new T72 would wipe the floor with a first gen Leclerc. Just as then Brand new upgraded Abrams gutted older itteratations of the T72 in Iraq. Not because they were the Mythical Lion of Babylonbut because they were Polish knock down kits from the early to mid 1980s vs 1993 vintage M1A1 tanks then top of the line designed to slaughter early to mid 80s Soviet union tanks.
 
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Pmichael

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gelgoog said:
The EU alone has half a billion people. What did you expect?
The EU's issue was never the resources. The issue is a lack of unified command and will. Plus there is no integrated military with comprehensive full spectrum capabilities.
That means in any conflict the response will be lackluster.

The US is supposedly replacing the A-10 with the F-35. So they have no replacement either.

Yes, Russia has had brain drain, and lost industry in 90s, but the budget is still high enough given their GDP.
The corruption on military contracts is not an issue unique to Russia.
Meanwhile the industry is being rebuilt and a lot of new talents have been trained.
They are not past the hump, that may take another decade. But at least they can defend themselves.
Two decades ago even that was in question.
Today they even have limited expeditionary capabilities.
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And Russia can't maintain the capabilities they have with that budget. One of the main problems is that they are still playing number games like the SU with hundreds and thousands of outdated aircraft and tanks in various level of front line to reserve services. This was already a problem in the Cold War but Russia can't maintain such large numbers even less.

More and more inventory of the military are outdated while new hardware barely see service in meaningful numbers.
 
Lethe

Lethe

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Russian defense spending is much larger, and more sustainable than it seems
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I wrote a post a couple years back addressing this question of PPP/MER and future military spending amongst major powers.

Applying a crude 50/50 approximation of MER and PPP measures, using IMF April 2019 projections for future economic growth, and assuming that defence allocations as proportion of GDP remain equivalent to the 5yr average of 2014-2018 spending (as estimated by SIPRI 2019) , generates the following "comparable" figures of defence expenditure in 2024:

USA (3.2%): $823bn
China (1.9%): $584bn
Russia (4.5%): $322bn
India (2.5%): $289bn
Saudi Arabia (10.2%): $175bn

Everyone else small fish.
 
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gelgoog

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Aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov to be docked for further repairs in 2020 — source
May 07, 12:31 UTC+3
In April 2018, the shipbuilders signed a contract with the Defense Ministry for doing repairs on the aircraft carrier

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MOSCOW, May 7. /TASS/. Russia’s aircraft carrier The Admiral Kuznetsov, currently undergoing repairs and maintenance at the 35th ship repair plant in Murmansk, will be docked in 2020, a source in the shipbuilding industry told TASS.

"The phase of repairs in a dry dock will begin in 2020, provided the facilities required are in place and the dock’s capacity is increased," the source said.

The United Shipbuilding Corporation told TASS the 35th ship repair plant was in the process of upgrading its dock facilities, which would allow for accommodating the aircraft carrier The Admiral Kuznetsov.

"It’s a complex package of measures, so we foresee a certain postponement of the second docking of the ship, but the eventual deadline for completing the repairs and upgrade - 2021 - will remain unchanged," the corporation said.

The Admiral Kuznetsov was damaged in a night-time incident on October 30, 2018 during a launch operation in Murmansk. The floating dock PD-50 sank under the ship in emergency. The fall of a crane damaged the carrier’s flight deck.

Shipbuilding corporation president Alexei Rakhmanov told TASS the aircraft carrier suffered 52 defects, which would cost 70 million rubles to eliminate. He said The Admiral Kuznetsov would have to be docked for a second time. Originally the operation was scheduled for the summer of 2019. After the sinking of the PD-50 dock several options of a second docking were considered and the choice was made in favor of creating the required facilities at the 35th ship repair plant.

Admiral Kuznetsov upgrade
In April 2018, the shipbuilders signed a contract with the Defense Ministry for doing repairs on the aircraft carrier The Admiral Kuznetsov (project 11435). The then deputy commander of the Russian Navy, Viktor Bursuk, said the repairs on Russia’s sole aircraft carrier began in May 2018 and the Navy hoped to have the upgraded ship back in 2021.

Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on April 9 the share of the repair and upgrade work done reached 25% and was to be completed by the end of 2020.

The Admiral Kuznetsov will be armed with new air defense systems, including Pantsir-M. Power equipment, boilers, pumps, flight equipment, observation and control systems will be replaced.

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asif iqbal

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I think most Russian big ticket items are due to be decommissioned in 2020s

Now Russia is moving to small warships

These giants of the Soviet era will soon disappear

Although submarine section Russia is doing really well

SSBN and SSN are making a come back but surface fleet is on its way down they will rely on lighter warships
 
Lethe

Lethe

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Admiral Nakhimov will rejoin the fleet at some point and serve till at least late 2020s. Pytor Veliky will then go in for upgrade and could serve till early 2030s.

Admiral Kuznetsov should go but there seems little chance of that happening.

The post-Soviet era has a while left to run yet.
 
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