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Gatekeeper said:

Absolutely. Well put!
I'll add that the spin doctors have worked overtime trying to make out its the Russians that's doing the dangerous manoeuvring. And the US and Canadian bravely confronted them and chased them off! I wonder what they would've said if this was the other way round!

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That is exactly why I posted and responded to the posts.

I mean come on, one has to be blind as a bat not to see that the F-15 was drawing closer to the Russian Govt Jetliner. That is what the RuAF Su-27 Flanker responded to. And to me that's reckless and irresponsible flying on the part of the F-15, to be drawing closer to the Russian Govt Jetliner.

To say that the F-15 could've done this or could've done that is irrelevant. As the fact remains the Su-27 conducted an intercept maneuver and achieved the intended result. If the F-15 chose to flip out and again try to get close to the Russian Govt aircraft, it would've been not just reckless flying, but also would've been a catalyst to escalating the incident.

Bottomline, RuAF Su-27 did it's job and the F-15 was in the wrong. Exposing the fact that all that is portrayed on msm, of benevolence, bravery, honor and discipline is nothing more than hogwash.

Now you're spin doctoring.

It's all fun and games until two pilots and multimillion dollar fighters slam into each other.

Dizasta1 said:

That is exactly why I posted and responded to the posts.

I mean come on, one has to be blind as a bat not to see that the F-15 was drawing closer to the Russian Govt Jetliner. That is what the RuAF Su-27 Flanker responded to. And to me that's reckless and irresponsible flying on the part of the F-15, to be drawing closer to the Russian Govt Jetliner.

To say that the F-15 could've done this or could've done that is irrelevant. As the fact remains the Su-27 conducted an intercept maneuver and achieved the intended result. If the F-15 chose to flip out and again try to get close to the Russian Govt aircraft, it would've been not just reckless flying, but also would've been a catalyst to escalating the incident.

Bottomline, RuAF Su-27 did it's job and the F-15 was in the wrong. Exposing the fact that all that is portrayed on msm, of benevolence, bravery, honor and discipline is nothing more than hogwash.

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NAW! anybody can see the F-15 is at a more than respectful distance, to argue otherwise and suggest the Russian surveillance aircraft was in any DANGER, from that F-15 merely illustrates ignorance of an intercept and how its conducted and the purpose of an intercept....

now the Su-27 move on the F-15 was extremely aggressive, while you think that is a "smooth move", its not.. and it goes directly counter to long accepted agreements and protocol that are in place to prevent the "stoopidity" that is on display for the world to see.......

the proximity and closure rate of the Su-27 on the F-15 would have resulted in a midair had the F-15 pilot not been very good, a standard intercept, approaches low and from the aft, at around 200 to 300 yds, and slowly pulls alongside the other aircraft as the interceptor closes the gap at a constant but safe rate, usually stopping at approx. 50 yds or so off the other aircrafts wing.....

I'll give you a clue, had that Su-27 been piloted by an Air Force, Navy, or US Marine pilot flown toward the F-15 in the manner shown on the video, he would be immediately grounded and courts martialed, he'd be out, because of the likely hood of triggering an international incident....

The video is there for any and all knowledgeable folks to see

Air Force Brat said:

The video is there for any and all knowledgeable folks to see

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You are absolutely right but one have to ask you, what the F-15 was doing there, except from provocation? This pilot probably congratulated personally by putin and promoted. LOL thats the difference of cultures mate!

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Now you're spin doctoring.

It's all fun and games until two pilots and multimillion dollar fighters slam into each other.

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Come on!
The fact is the Russian flew their plan in international space! And shouldn't never had been intercepted! Period! But the MSM reported as if the Russians had "invaded". Saying the Russians had flew in their, Canadian & US ADIZ. (A self proclaimed area not reconised as legitimate air space by international court). If that's not spinning. I don't know what is!
The fact who flew into who is secondary. The Russians have perfectly legitimate right to he there, if not then the US has a right to shoot it down. Period! The fact they didn't is that the Russians is nowhere near true US airspace.
And as Brat has already mentioned about Hainnan incident. So I'll bring it out here now.
I remember back then, the Brats and MSM all said regardless whoever is guilty of dangerous manoeuvring. And it is difficult to prove as we weren't there.
The MSM went on to say even if we can't prove who conducted dangerous manoeuvring. The US had the right to being there as it's international space and therefore shouldn't have even be intercepted the first place!
Talk about double standards and spin doctors!

Dizasta1 said:

That is exactly why I posted and responded to the posts.

I mean come on, one has to be blind as a bat not to see that the F-15 was drawing closer to the Russian Govt Jetliner. That is what the RuAF Su-27 Flanker responded to. And to me that's reckless and irresponsible flying on the part of the F-15, to be drawing closer to the Russian Govt Jetliner.

To say that the F-15 could've done this or could've done that is irrelevant. As the fact remains the Su-27 conducted an intercept maneuver and achieved the intended result. If the F-15 chose to flip out and again try to get close to the Russian Govt aircraft, it would've been not just reckless flying, but also would've been a catalyst to escalating the incident.

Bottomline, RuAF Su-27 did it's job and the F-15 was in the wrong. Exposing the fact that all that is portrayed on msm, of benevolence, bravery, honor and discipline is nothing more than hogwash.

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You might as well give up. Some people will always have a different and bias view on this.

2handedswordsman said:

You are absolutely right but one have to ask you, what the F-15 was doing there, except from provocation? This pilot probably congratulated personally by putin and promoted. LOL thats the difference of cultures mate!

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I'm sure the F-15 pilot was following orders, and his intercept was in international airspace, he's just "looking" and checking out the Russian aircraft, and I'm fine with the Su-27 intercepting the F-15 and "pushing back", that's not gonna get anyone dead...

We intercept Russian Bears and their fighter escort all the time, its Alway's done in a safe, professional manner, by the same token both Russian and Chinese aircraft intercept our "spy birds" all the time, and 95% of the time its done in a safe professional manner....

that's a problem, I get the cultural differences, I really do, and I'm fine with the Russian Culture, I have no problem with "challenging" one another.... "who goes there????", but I do have a problem with stoopidity, flying on both sides is dangerous enough, a little respect among airman has traditionally gone a long way in allowing these intercepts to be conducted in a professional manner....

there's plenty history of this krap going South!

So I agree with you, FONOPs and STUFF are provocative, but it has to be done, and we all do it, and there's good reasons to do it, I believe Ronald Reagon put it best, when he said "Trust, be verify"!

Gatekeeper said:

, Canadian & US ADIZ. (A self proclaimed area not reconised as legitimate air space by international court

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This incident was not over the US or Canada it was over the Baltic states. The F15 belongs to the 493rd 'Grim Reapers' Fighter Squadron out of RAF Lakenheath there current assignment is Lithuania where they act as part of the NATO contingent there stated mission? Escorting away Russian Aircraft from Lithuanian airspace.

Remember the US and Russia have an Open Skies treaty although an F15.may Escourt it an SU27 isn't covered by that.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Remember the US and Russia have an Open Skies treaty although an F15.may Escourt it an SU27 isn't covered by that.

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That's right, and I'm all for that, I think its wise to be open and upfront with one another, I have no problem with intercepting or being intercepted, as long as every one is kool, its never been a problem, never!