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gelgoog

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Google says 2019. But who knows. If you follow the link in the post I made prior to that you should be able to see it yourself with Google Maps.

It is in the Murmansk area. 69.041n,33.068e
 
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Air Force Brat

Air Force Brat

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Dizasta1 said:
When things go bumping in sky, the Russians bump BACK!

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LOL, kinda fun don't ya think, notice the F-15 is at a very safe, respectful distance, unlike some of the very dangerous and unacceptable intercepts by Su-27s against American surveillance aircraft, where the idiots damn near run over unarmed aircraft, where the aircrew are not able to punch out, thereby endangering all aboard...

If the Su-27 were to have bumped the F-15, either crew could simply punch out... so here again we see the Russians, in an aircraft very easy to egress safely, (yeah, you're right, the Russians have to punch out fairly regularly), threatening to collide with a legitimate intercept...

and its there on film for all to see.... so what did you learn Bub?

It looks kool to you no??? hell yeah, its kinda kool, and its effective, its also dangerous and outside protocol for an intercept....

so, like the Hainan Island incident, this kind of stoopidity, is simply and clearly stoopidity, and you just can't fix stooped, its terminal.

the F-15 pilot doesn't "cut and run", he stays just off the other aircrafts wing in very close formation, had he desired he could have pitched out and ended up anywhere he wanted to on that Russian surveillance aircraft, even placing it between him and the Su-27, but he choose to remain engaged with the Su-27, pulling him away from the other US intercept aircraft, which could have then engaged the Russian Surveillance aircraft???

the Western Forces are very well disciplined, and are NOT a threat to the aircraft they are intercepting, because they are doing exactly that, its an intercept, nothing more, nothing less...
 
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gelgoog said:
What I have heard is that the water in the ship was pumped out and the holes have been more or less patched up. The Admiral Kuznetsov is probably moored somewhere close to where the incident happened. I have heard no information about the refit continuing in any degree.

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I have also heard comments that the Russian government does not wish to refloat the sunken dock. So if they are to use an existing dry dock to repair it there aren't many options. One option, I think, is the
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at Kerch, Crimea. It built Panamax-class vessels and is rumored as a possible place to build Lider-class battleships.
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yep, the old Admiral Kuz is in pretty sad shape, supposedly most of the dry dock work had been wrapping up, the sunken dry dock is not economically salvable, so it will be interesting to see what the Russians do to "resurrect" the Admiral Kuz....
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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gelgoog said:
I was just talking about the original Su-27 situation at the time it came out
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And I was debunking a good deal of what you were saying for the first operational SU27.
IE. It did not have a true HMCS until after 85-6 with the Shchel-3UM HMD. Which despite the name was little more than a mount with a flip down iron monocle Although wide fielding of such didn't happen until the 1990s the US had been testing a system like it in the late 70s. True HMD emerged with the Elbit Dash series in the 1990s .
The IRST was not sensor fusion it was a back up. It did have the Soviets first fly by wire system and impressive aerial performance but was that enough to claim a "Generation ahead"?
 
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gelgoog

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AFAIK the Russians only do sensor fusion in the Su-35 aircraft and later. In prior aircraft they had a distributed systems architecture. So it means the pilot has an increased sensory burden on those aircraft. But regardless of how crude the cuing of the Su-27 was, at least it had some, together with the R-73 missile.

Heck, even today you see F-22 fanboys say that having the AIM-9X in the F-22 without an helmet sight is "good enough" as long as the missile seeker can detect the opponent aircraft. Two decades later! It does not even have an iron monocle. The F-22s are supposed to get a modern HMD. Eventually. But it is amazing how the USAF has not done the upgrades yet. The USA has HMDs in the Super Hornet and the A-10 yet not in their supposed premium dogfighter. It is nonsense.
 
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bd popeye said:
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I have a question about the status of the Russian Navy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. Is the ship presently laid up in a shipyard or has the re-fit continued? ...
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how you doing?
I've now searched yandex.ru (it's like google in Russian) for you, the latest I found I mean official
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dated Dec. 28 of 2018,
says
  • the crane has been removed (and I hope you know what crane)
  • refurbishing goes according to the plan (for nitpickers who would ask where I got it: работы по ремонту идут по заданному графику)
 
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gelgoog

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That kind of runs counter to the news story I read about how the hull had been pierced on the side and water had to be pumped out. Unless the gash is so above the water line that it can be fixed properly without going into a dry dock.
 
Gatekeeper

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Dizasta1 said:
The last time america up against an adversary that had an Air Force to challenge it in the air, was back in Vietnam War. That was almost 50 years ago, and since then america hasn't had any real fight. The Russian Federation isn't the Soviet Union, it doesn't act unilaterally or irresponsibly. And it knows the value of alliances, as that is the only sensible way to confront hegemony. The Russian Aerospace Forces has gone through critical transformation, in terms of equipment modernization, personnel training, aircraft serviceability to operate at optimum performance. These changes were brought about with an approach toward fighting any war, in synergy with its allies.

This discussion started with a video posted where an american F-15 drew closer toward a what seem to be a Russian government aircraft. With all the talk of safety, dangerous flying and so on by america and nato. It was surprising to see USAF aircraft so close to (and which would've continued to try and get closer to the Russian government aircraft, if left unchecked), hence the RuAF Su-27 Flanker did what it was suppose to do. And that is to protect the government aircraft. The Su-27 Flanker positioned itself between the Russian government jetliner and the usaf F-15, before executing a flawless maneuver to push aside the approaching F-15. Forcing the intruder aircraft to bank away from its initial trajectory.

Bottom line, RuAF acted responsibly, deterred the USAF F-15 from getting any closer or remaining close to the Russian Government aircraft. Thus demonstrated the resolve of the Russian Federation, that they seek to exist independently, yet challenge any hegemonic behavior that threatens it. Indicative of a nation which doesn't seek war, but if the adversary sought to intimidate it, then the Russian Federation would defend itself with undeterred resolve.

So whatever the argument of how well equipped, better trained, or "we know how the Su-27 flies like in combat because we have trained against it" and stuff like that. That doesn't mean anything to a country which resolves to not be intimidated, and chooses to live independently and push back when hegemonic powers get out of line. In the end, Russia has demonstrated responsibility with rational approach and sought to build its relations with its allies, as equals, not in arrogance or with impunity.

In the end, it's not just about training, quality of equipment or personnel, but also standing on moral ground, with conviction and the will to defend its right to exist as an independent nation, without in intimidation or hegemony.
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Absolutely. Well put!
I'll add that the spin doctors have worked overtime trying to make out its the Russians that's doing the dangerous manoeuvring. And the US and Canadian bravely confronted them and chased them off!
I wonder what they would've said if this was the other way round!
 
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