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A second Russian jet has crashed while trying to land on the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov after a combat mission over Syria. A similar accident occurred less than a month ago.

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on Monday, the Russian Defense Ministry said a Sukhoi-33 fighter jet crashed in the Mediterranean Sea while attempting to land on the carrier. The pilot ejected safely.

After performing a combat mission over Syria a Sukhoi-33 fighter-jet overran the runway while trying to land on The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. The arresting cable's rupture was the reason," said the defense ministry.

The defense ministry said that despite the incident, the carrier's lead group continued "operating in the Mediterranean in accordance with the long voyage plan," wrote TASS.

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magazine, on Nov. 13 a Russian Navy Mikoyan MiG-29KR/KUBR fighter crashed in the Mediterranean during operations from the Admiral Kuznetsov. A source told Combat Aircraft that the fighter was returning from a mission flown over Syria when it crashed.

Russian Navy Aviation had hoped to evaluate its newly minted MiG-29KR/KUBR fighters and its modernized Sukhoi Su-33 with the deployment of the carrier to the eastern Mediterranean, noted Combat Aircraft.

"This latest crash is another blow to the Russians, who specifically brought the carrier to the Mediterranean so they could launch airstrikes against rebel-held areas of Aleppo," said Chris Summers of the

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"…The battle group has travelled from the North Sea through the English Channel in the biggest such naval deployment in recent years as part of Russia's military intervention in Syria. Russia has been flying a bombing campaign in Syria for the past year in support of President Assad and has deployed a naval contingent to back up its operation."

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delft said:

That rocket went up very precisely vertically and came back just as precisely.

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Jeff Head said:

This is the permier combat operation for the Kuznetsov...IMHO, they were not ready, and probably did not even know that they were not ready to be able to avoid these kind of problems. Quite frankly it sounds like their maitnenace of the anding operations is simply below the standards it needs to be to be able to handle the amunt of traffic they are putting n it in this deployment.

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Jeff Head said:

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THe airwing is small to begin with and now they have lost two aircraft.

Look, high tempo operation of a carrier are togh and dangerous. The US trains and practises this stuff ALL THE TIME with their carriers and politos and those pilots have to maintain certain very high levels of expertise.

I doubt...in fact I know for sure...that the Russians do not maintain such a dedicated and intensive program.

I am sure thw Chinense are waatching and wil ensure that their own program is as intensive as it needs to be in order to be prepared for combat operations.

This is the permier combat operation for the Kuznetsov...IMHO, they were not ready, and probably did not even know that they were not ready to be able to avoid these kind of problems. Quite frankly it sounds like their maitnenace of the anding operations is simply below the standards it needs to be to be able to handle the amunt of traffic they are putting n it in this deployment.

Again, I am sure the PLAN is taking notes.

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Putin Shows Off Russia's Embarrassing Aircraft Carrier
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DEC 5, 2016 1:47 PM EST
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I've written before on how Russian involvement in the war in Syria is about more than just propping up the Assad regime. President Vladimir Putin has also been putting on a demonstration of military might, both to enhance Russia's status as a resurgent power and to

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to prospective international buyers.

And things had been going well: Ground-based Russian planes have been flying sorties at a highly efficient pace; warships in the Caspian Sea have

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in northern Syria with cruise missiles; one of Russia's new T-90 tanks

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relatively unscathed after being hit by a U.S.-made TOW missile.

But when Putin decided to send Russia's lone aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, down to the Mediterranean, he blundered. First, there is no military purpose: The carrier was designed to protect home waters, not for

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, and with only 15 planes aboard, will do little to augment Russia's ground-based aerial assault.

Second, the ship is simply embarrassing to look at. It lumbers along belching black smoke, accompanied by

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standing ready to tow because of frequent breakdowns. Its distinctive "ski jump" prow is an admission of technological defeat -- because the deck lacks the catapults found on U.S. carriers, jets need the extra boost of the ramp to avoid toppling into the ocean.

In service since the mid-1980s when it was part of the Soviet navy (and called, variously, the Riga, the Leonid Brezhnev and the Tbilisi), it has made only a handful of deployments in its history, none further than the Mediterranean. According to media reports, problems with

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have reduced it to just 25 latrines for a crew of 2,000. In 2012 it broke down in the Bay of Biscay and had to be towed thousands of miles to its home port near Murmansk. It had a particularly bad year in 2009, spilling hundreds of metric tons of oil off the coast of Ireland and catching fire near Turkey, an accident in which one sailor died.


Now the Kuznetsov Curse has struck again. According to the trade website

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, on Saturday an Su-33 Flanker returning to the carrier crashed into the sea after failing to hook onto the deck-top "arrestor cables" that slow the jets upon landing. A similar thing happened

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with a Mig-29 fighter. (In both cases the pilots were able to eject before impact.)

Perhaps the Russian navy had been anticipating such problems. According to the military information service IHS Janes, the Russians have for weeks been

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off the flattop to an airfield in Syria.

Even without these fiascos, it's unlikely there would be much of a market anyway if Russia decided to sell the Kuznetsov off -- as it did with the former Admiral Gorshkov to India for $2.35 billion in 2004 and Ukraine did with the hull of the Varyag to China in the late 1990s. In both cases, there was a fair amount of buyer's remorse.

The Chinese have spent hundreds of millions on repairs and new technology for a ship, now called the Liaoning, that's more or less

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and really used for training. Delivery of India's ship, now called the Vikramaditya, was delayed for years, in part because seven of its eight steam boilers

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. It was re-commissioned in 2013 and is patrolling the Indian Ocean, although the government has decided that its new, domestically built Tejas lightweight aircraft won't be able to land on the carrier's small deck.

Russia continues to roll out some impressive weaponry in Syria, most recently the sophisticated S-400 air-defense system at its naval base at Tartus. This is only going to help its arms exporting business, which hit a record $15 billion last year. But, unless the purpose was to show off the effectiveness of Russian ejector seats and tugboats, the Kuznetsov should have stayed home. Or, better yet, been sent to the graveyard. It's undoubtedly worth more as scrap metal than as a projection of Russian power.

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