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Broccoli

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Russian conscripts tell of fears of being sent to Ukraine
MOSCOW (AP) - Human rights groups have received dozens of complaints in the past month from Russian conscripts who say they have been strong-armed or duped into signing contracts with the military to become professional soldiers. The conscripts are then sent to participate in drills in the southern Rostov region bordering Ukraine.

Because only contract soldiers can legally be dispatched abroad, worries are spreading among families that inexperienced young conscripts could be sent to fight in eastern Ukraine alongside pro-Russian separatists. Many soldiers contend that's already happened.

One former soldier told The Associated Press that he was pressured into extending his service.

When the conscript, Alexander, was due to finish his year of mandatory military service in October, he said his commander told him he had no choice: He had to sign a contract and head to southern Russia for troop exercises. The 20-year-old knew that meant he might end up fighting in Ukraine. Other soldiers he talked to had been sent there.

His commanders "didn't talk about it, but other soldiers told us about it, primarily paratroopers who had been there," Alexander said in an interview with the AP, which is not using his surname for his safety.

The former private first class ended his military service this month. He fled Rostov on Dec. 31 and avoided being sent to Ukraine - although not without first being threatened with prison for desertion. He was able to quit legally only after reaching out to NGOs for help.
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kroko

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First design for the futur 12000 t DDG in fact a Cruiser for political reasons designated DDG maybe... get 48 cell's for missiles as Club/Kaliber and 48 for one big SAM definitely S-400 naval variant or 4 more small ( total 192 ) and seems others cell's about 48 ? around landing pad and get a gun of 130 or maybe 152 mm.

Armament equivalent Ticonderoga, KDX-III powerful.

For the moment only for look...certainties after.

About the destroyer
That ship has a huge tower. Will it get stability problems? The sole picture of the second destroyer doesnt match the model in the vídeo. Are there 2 designs?
Its the first time i have seen that the leader class destroyer will have 12000t. In wikipedia its 10000t. Where did you get that number?

This article says nothing about tonnage, but talks about nuclear or turbine propulsion, and completion no earlier than 2023/2025

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Also, the carrier
The model in that video is huge. Its the size of a supercarrier. Does russia have a fleet to escort it? Does it even have the expertise to built it, taking into account that it hasnt built anything bigger than a frigate since the end of SU?

This is an article that talks about the future russian carrier. It mentions two sources about completion date. One states that it will be done before the end of 2025. Another states that it will be after 2030. Strange.

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you can check what will be packed into about 2000 tons of displacement -- a moment ago I found out about the keel laying:
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of the next ship of
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that's what I call Warship!

EDIT
... but I've realized they're classified as Small Patrolling Ships :) (МАЛЫЕ СТОРОЖЕВЫЕ КОРАБЛИ)

anyway, you can check pictures etc. at
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antiterror13

Brigadier
My impression is a bit over-armed for 2,000 tonnes corvette, with Hangar for Ka-27 Helicopter as well.
Imagine what life condition on board for 90 sailors, cramped
 
My impression is a bit over-armed for 2,000 tonnes corvette, with Hangar for Ka-27 Helicopter as well.

well, some other Baltic Sea Navy is building Frigates which are not "over-armed", aren't they?: in 7200 tons, one 5" gun and two Harpoon canisters https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/european-military-news-views.t4395/page-33#post-327626

Imagine what life condition on board for 90 sailors, cramped
Endurance: 15 days
says
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I wondered about the current status of "improved Steregushchy-class" partly described (and more correctly called) in
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and (less correctly called) in
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so I searched Russian Internet, went through lengthy discussions under
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and it seems more powerful engines were needed (more than 10 m longer hull), ordered from Germany (the
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doesn't show the particular 5900 kW model I found at the Russian website though, which of course doesn't mean anything), and ... fell under 2014 sanctions ... the building of (numbers at the shipbuilder) 1005 and 1006 has been suspended and it was most recently announced they would get the same (weaker) Russian engines 16Д49 as their Project 20380/1 predecessors (4400 kW which is the power of more than 5898 horses :) I also found out the fuel consumption would correspond to about 21 tons per 24 hours :)

P.S. The propulsion is CODAD with four of these engines.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
My impression is a bit over-armed for 2,000 tonnes corvette, with Hangar for Ka-27 Helicopter as well.
Imagine what life condition on board for 90 sailors, cramped

These are typical coastal defense ships . They were not designed for long cruises but for short "sorties" lasting few days , performing raids on enemy shipping or installations in vicinity of their base, and then returning to port .
 
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