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asif iqbal

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Conversely, we could postulate absolutely anything if we defend it by saying that just because there is no evidence does not mean it did not happen. Here on SD, we should have more evidence that just hearsay and conjecture before we got too excited or too invested in something like this.

And that was my only point...that it is conjecture. No armor was seen...just transport ships. They could be carrying food and humanitarian supplies to Russia's ally.

IMHO, if thousands of tons or armor had been coming in...we would have more than this.

Of course you are free to believe whatever you want...that was not the point, and there is no desire to keep anyone form believing such things. I was simply making the point (once more) that is it conjecture and not based on any real evidence.

No I disagree

Last year UK authority's seized a Russian cargo ship carrying Mi-25 overhauled attack helos the serials were covered and although it is not against international law it was withheld and finally forced to turn back due to insurance violations I do not think UK authority's would make this news up and risk a diplomatic fall out over false allegations

Point here is that Russia is actively using military and civilian ships to transport weapons to Syria it has been reported by many news outlets Reuters ran a story about this last year I would suggest you google it and can no way pass as conjecture

Russia supply's arms to Syria that is been established, cargo ships transit turkish straits on 4-5 each month sometime more this can lead to only one conclusion that Russia is supplying Syria how else could Assad last this long he must have a weapons shuttle service from somewhere

Unless somehow I have missed 4-5 Russian naval excercises each month over the last 4 years there is no other mission for these cargo ships in the Mediterranean although this is very unlikely
 
now I briefly searched for the most recent news on the Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates, found just:
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from this week --
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being built (source:
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doesn't say much more :)
 

Jeff Head

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No I disagree

Last year UK authority's seized a Russian cargo ship carrying Mi-25 overhauled attack helos...

Russia is actively using military and civilian ships to transport weapons to Syria it has been reported by many news outlets Reuters ran a story about this... it and can no way pass as conjecture


Unless there is some evidence and documentation of that armor being in Syria...and there are a LOT of people in Syria now from humanitarian, to missionaries, to relief workers, to the many governments involved in getting the chemical weapons out of Syria, etc., etc. who would be apt to see it....as I say, unless there is evidence of that much armor being there...then it is in fact only conjecture.

No government has announced it, either Russia or Syria (obviously), or any of the others that are watching. The fact that the UK caught the Mi-25 just goes more to this point. If they caught that shipment, they will be looking for others.

No...it is conjecture.

Maybe those making it believe they have good reason to do so and I will not discount that...but they also have no evidence at all of it, which makes it conjecture.
 
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Jeff Head

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now I briefly searched for the most recent news on the Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates, found just from this week --
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being built (source:
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doesn't say much more :)


Nice to see that the 2nd one has been launched. These are going to be nice, and very capable vessels.

But still, it seems that it is taking the Russian yards a long time to put out there frigates. The first Gorshkov class FFG required from start of build in 2006 until launch in 2010 and commissioning in 2014. The second started building in 2009 and was just launched.

They are taking 4-5 years to launch a frigate. That's a long time.
 

asif iqbal

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Unless there is some evidence and documentation of that armor being in Syria...and there are a LOT of people in Syria now from humanitarian, to missionaries, to relief workers, to the many governments involved in getting the chemical weapons out of Syria, etc., etc. who would be apt to see it....as I say, unless there is evidence of that much armor being there...then it is in fact only conjecture.

No government has announced it, either Russia or Syria (obviously), or any of the others that are watching. The fact that the UK caught the Mi-25 just goes more to this point. If they caught that shipment, they will be looking for others.

No...it is conjecture.

Maybe those making it believe they have good reason to do so and I will not discount that...but they also have no evidence at all of it, which makes it conjecture.

Syria operates majority Russian equipment so there is no way of verifying wether or not they are from recent supply's or old stockpiles so that question will never be answered

Conjecture is when there is not sufficient evidence to substantiate a claim, the questionable part is how much is "sufficient" for me it might not be a lot but others may ask for more but in no way can it be called conjecture because there is evidence and sufficient in my opinion and many news agency's have also stated it

It then comes down to the cargo ships, the shuttle service being provided by the Russian navy to Syria can be called "Humanitarian" but I think everyone would know that that is exactly what it is not

If Russia is supply medical supply's then why is there is many people needing medical equipment and supply's so anything other than military equipment is out of the question

Also Israel recently attacked a base in Syria which contained new delivered Yakont missiles again growing evidence that Syria is taking delivery of new systems in recent times

Also Russia and China both veto UN resolution condemning Syria who also happen to be the two main weapons suppliers, there is Russian weapon and there is Chinese weapons it's black and white all the indications are there hence my first statement that Russia is supplying Syria with weapons with these Turkish transits using Russian navy cargo ships

There is two forms of evidence one based on proof and one which is a based on a balance of probability and I am sure of it on the balance of probabilitys those are military supply ships
 

Jeff Head

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Syria operates majority Russian equipment so there is no way of verifying wether or not they are from recent supply's or old stockpiles so that question will never be answered.


If it came into port on merchant ships, there are many people who whould have and could have witnessed this. we have heard no reports of such.

Conjecture is when there is not sufficient evidence to substantiate a claim, the questionable part is how much is "sufficient"


I would say that someone who is watching Russian Merchant ships passing through the straits, who has not seen any armor on any of the vessels, but who simply postulates that it may be so, qualifies as conjecture.

It then comes down to the cargo ships, the shuttle service being provided by the Russian navy to Syria can be called "Humanitarian" but I think everyone would know that that is exactly what it is not


To the contrary, Russia has regularly over the years provided such aid.

For example, in May 2013, Russia indicated that a Russian military transport landed in Latakia carrying 60 tons of humanitarian aid for Syria.

Also, the Syrian times reported in August 2014 that humanitarian aid provided by Russia from the Syrian community in St. Petersburg to the Syrian people, arrived in Syria with milk, clothing, and other aid..

The Fund's representative indicated at the time that Armenian and Chechen communities in St. Petersburg would provide subsequent aid shipments.

Apparently that aid was handed over to the Syrian Red Crescent cooperation for distribution.

So apparently there is good evidence that Russia does supply huimanitarian aid.

Also Israel recently attacked a base in Syria which contained new delivered Yakont missiles again growing evidence that Syria is taking delivery of new systems in recent times.


Asif, do not get me wrong, I am not saying that Russia does not supply arms to Syria. We all know that they do.

But the Yahkont missiles are a good example. There were multiple reports of those missiles arriving in Syria and being offloaded to warehouses there near the docks. This type of information spread all over well before the Israelis attacked it.

A few dozen missiles are smaller than scores of MBTs and other armor. it is likely that oif any armor in any numbers were arriving in Syria...we would hear about it.

But there is no evidence of this other than conjecture.

Could the Russians be doing so? Of course they could. but if they were doing so to any large extent amounting to cargo ships full of them woith thousands of tons...then we would most certainly have had evidence of it other than hear say.

That is my only point.
 

FORBIN

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Not too surprised about the Kerch being scrapped after the fire in November.

She is an old Kara class vessel that was launched in 1972, making her going on 43 years old. With her Silex, Goblet and Geko missiles, in terms of her main armament and sensors, she has been fairly obsolete for some time.

But she also had a good hull, a decent record, and was capable of showing the flag and other missions for all of these years. Just does not make sense to go through any kind of major overhaul to repair the fire damage she suffered two months ago.
In fact retired because BSF get in few years six Pr 11356M Grigorovich but BSF get 2 Krivak I/II which have as Kerch about 40 years and one is actually in modernization.
In more except Udaloy II, Petr Velikiy and 2 Neutrashimyy commissioned after USSR all big warships get about 30+ years.
First new Pr 22350/Gorshkov for NSF.

You use NATO name i see, I was raised with those there :=) a teenager at this time but yet in the "business" for it, no internet at that time but yet many books and magazines... :)
 

FORBIN

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Lada Class
  • B-585 Sankt Petersburg in service with NSF
  • B-586 Kronstadt in construction
  • B-587 Sevastopol in construction
The B-586 and B-587 should be delivered to the Russian Navy in 2017 and the end of 2018.
These submarines are not equipped with AIP.

A fourth unit could be orderded late 2015 for delivery in 2019 for the moment don't have AIP also.

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Yak-152 is a new-generation primary trainer aircraft being developed by Yakovlev Design Bureau, a part of Irkut Corporation. The aircraft is being developed for the Russian Ministry of Defence, paramilitary sport organisation DOSAAF (Volunteer Society for Cooperation with the Army, Aviation, and Fleet), and other organisations of the Russian Federation.

The aircraft is intended to provide primary pilot training, professional selection and occupational guidance for future pilots of military fighter aircraft. It will be included into the UTK-Yak training complex, which consists of the
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, computer display classrooms, PC-based procedural simulators, and functional simulators.


Yakovlev Design Bureau is the potential prime contractor for the Yak-152 aeroplane. Federal arms supply agency Rosoboronpostavka began a tender in March 2014 to complete development of a Yak-152 piston training aircraft at an estimated cost of RUB300m ($8.32m). A mock-up of the Yakovlev-152 trainer was made by OSKBES MAI in September 2014.

The Yak-152 aircraft development programme includes production of four prototypes, with two are aimed for flight trials, one for static tests and the final for fatigue testing. All four aircraft are expected to be built by October 2015 and will be tested as part of a state trial programme until September 2016. The first Yak-152 trainer aircraft is anticipated to be operational by the end of 2016.

Yak-152 trainer aircraft design and features
Entered service in the Russian Federation Air Force at the military pilot training academy in Krasnodar in July 2009.
Yak-152 primary / basic trainer aircraft features all-metal airframe, low wing, aerofoil monoplane design. It is easy to maintain and requires low operating costs.

The wings will be attached with trim rudders and ailerons to provide improved aerodynamic efficiency. The aircraft features a retractable tricycle landing gear consisting of a nose wheel and two main wheels, with low-pressure tyres and shock-absorbing properties allowing the aircraft to take-off and land safely on small unprepared airfields.

The Yak-152 trainer aircraft will have a length of 7.72m, wing span of 8.82m and a height of 2.47m. The maximum take-off weight will be 1,320kg and it will can carry a maximum fuel load of 200kg. It features a monocoque fuselage made up of four longerons.

Operated by a single pilot, the cockpit can accommodate two crew members in tandem configuration. The pupil-pilot seat is located in the front section, while the instructor is seated at the rear. The aircraft will use the SKS-94M ejection system to provide safe escape for pilots in case of an emergency. It will also be installed with heating and ventilation systems.

Avionics of Yakovlev Design Bureau's trainer aircraft
Yak-152 primary trainer aircraft can be equipped with advanced flight
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, radio communications, and targeting equipment to provide high-reliability and enhanced training capabilities for the pilots.

Yak-152 propulsion and performance
The Yak-152 will be powered by a single M-14X turboprop engine with a generating capacity of 360hp.

Its propulsion system provides a stalling speed of 100km/h and a maximum speed of 500km/h. It offers a maximum range of 1,000km and can carry out training missions for up to 10,000 hours. With a maximum take-off distance of 175m and a maximum landing run distance of 360m, it can reach a maximum altitude of 4,000m.

The primary trainer aircraft will have a calendar life of 30 years and a service life of 10,000 hours. The maximum and minimum load factors are 9g and -7g respectively.
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