Russian Flanker and SU-3X Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

[thunderchief]

Situation is rather clear, Su-30MKI is better in close combat with ROE established before hand .

Of course, RAF has a point that in actual shooting war things would be different . You would need to include AWACS, ground based radars, communication equipment , jamming, capability of radars on both aircraft , RCS etc ...

As for renewed MMRCA , India wants strikers rather then air superiority aircraft . Therefore, I don't think this exercise would influence their decision in a significant manner .

 

[Jeff Head]

Situation is rather clear, Su-30MKI is better in close combat with ROE established before hand .

Of course, RAF has a point that in actual shooting war things would be different . You would need to include AWACS, ground based radars, communication equipment , jamming, capability of radars on both aircraft , RCS etc ...

Very well said.

 

[Equation]

Situation is rather clear, Su-30MKI is better in close combat with ROE established before hand .

Of course, RAF has a point that in actual shooting war things would be different . You would need to include AWACS, ground based radars, communication equipment , jamming, capability of radars on both aircraft , RCS etc ...

As for renewed MMRCA , India wants strikers rather then air superiority aircraft . Therefore, I don't think this exercise would influence their decision in a significant manner .

True, but this an exercise in aerial close range combat among fighter jets and in the end the SU-30MKI came out on top of the Typhoon (one of my favorite aircraft).

 

[Air Force Brat]

True, but this an exercise in aerial close range combat among fighter jets and in the end the SU-30MKI came out on top of the Typhoon (one of my favorite aircraft).

Take heart equation, I wouldn't count your sweetheart out of a turning burning engagement with the MKIs, I am still convinced the Phoon is the bird to beat in 4+ gen aircraft. That was clear on 2007, nothing has changed except that the Indian team are now up to speed, but those two aircraft retain all their same characteristics and the Phoons are having their AoA range increased on the top end with a few simple mods and
FCS tweaks.

 

[aksha]

mamma bear and her cubs

 

[Equation]

Take heart equation, I wouldn't count your sweetheart out of a turning burning engagement with the MKIs, I am still convinced the Phoon is the bird to beat in 4+ gen aircraft. That was clear on 2007, nothing has changed except that the Indian team are now up to speed, but those two aircraft retain all their same characteristics and the Phoons are having their AoA range increased on the top end with a few simple mods and
FCS tweaks.

Yeah but my Typhoon is still 0-12 on the record books. Hopefully next time she'll do better.

 

[SteelBird]

To say India won the exercise is acceptable but to score 12 - 0 is a bit hard to believe unless all RAF pilots are newbies. What's the criteria? One vs one? Twelve vs twelve?

 

[lucretius]

The RAF claim...

Sources from the RAF state, however, that Indian planes were being 'bedded in' to new terrain and effectively shown the ropes. The RAF were "introducing them to the airspace", putting the Typhoons up against the Sukhois in something more akin to a pigeon-shooting exercise, rather than a combat exercise, so the Indian pilots could get their bearings.

Once the IAF were comfortable flying in foreign air space the Large Force Exercises (LFEs) began and subsequently the RAF Typhoons proved more than a match for the Indian SU-30's.

"Both nations learnt a great deal from the exercise and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF."

The Large Force Engagements saw 4 v 4 engagements at beyond visual range and graduated to a massive 8 v 8 engagement featuring 16 aircraft in the skies near Coningsby.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told

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his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult".

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[JayBird]

The RAF claim...

Sources from the RAF state, however, that Indian planes were being 'bedded in' to new terrain and effectively shown the ropes. The RAF were "introducing them to the airspace", putting the Typhoons up against the Sukhois in something more akin to a pigeon-shooting exercise, rather than a combat exercise, so the Indian pilots could get their bearings.

Once the IAF were comfortable flying in foreign air space the Large Force Exercises (LFEs) began and subsequently the RAF Typhoons proved more than a match for the Indian SU-30's.

"Both nations learnt a great deal from the exercise and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF."

The Large Force Engagements saw 4 v 4 engagements at beyond visual range and graduated to a massive 8 v 8 engagement featuring 16 aircraft in the skies near Coningsby.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told

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his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult".

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Okay.. so the RAF's side of the story is that they go easy on the IAF in the begining because they were trying to be a good host and don't want to embarrass the IAF like in 2007. They probably figure with more modern jets and due to unfamiliar terrain and airspace for IAF, they can still handle the IAF relatively easy. But the IAF bring their best pilots to this year's exercise due to the poor performance in 2007. Then I can see why it could go 12-0 this time with one side "slow down" and the other side throw their best.

I will really love to see the RAF and IAF meet again next year this time with both side's pride and honor on the line due to the backdrop stories the last two times they met. It will probably be as close to real air combat as possible with both side throw their best at each other. For the ultimate bragging rights, please make it happen!

 

[Equation]

The RAF claim...

Sources from the RAF state, however, that Indian planes were being 'bedded in' to new terrain and effectively shown the ropes. The RAF were "introducing them to the airspace", putting the Typhoons up against the Sukhois in something more akin to a pigeon-shooting exercise, rather than a combat exercise, so the Indian pilots could get their bearings.

Once the IAF were comfortable flying in foreign air space the Large Force Exercises (LFEs) began and subsequently the RAF Typhoons proved more than a match for the Indian SU-30's.

"Both nations learnt a great deal from the exercise and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF."

The Large Force Engagements saw 4 v 4 engagements at beyond visual range and graduated to a massive 8 v 8 engagement featuring 16 aircraft in the skies near Coningsby.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told

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his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult".

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Ahaaa...there's a catch after all! So my babe (Typhoon) was just playing nice after all.