Russian Flanker and SU-3X Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

b787

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This thread is about Modern Russian Flanker air frame designs, to include the SU-30M2, the SU-30SM, the SU-35S, and the SU-34. We can start off what should be a lively, and long dsicussion with the article by Thomas Newdick at War is Boring:

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In 2012 a second order for 92 more aircraft was awarded. Deliveries against this order commenced in 2014. To date, 32 aircraft have been dleivered.
The article misses a few points, the F-111 was replaced by the F-15E, Russia can replace the Su-24 also with the Su-30 series, then why buy Su-34?

The answer is the F-15E and Su-30 are not real equivalents to the F-111 and Su-24, the Su-34 has the ergonomics of a big airplane, more akin to a B-1B or B-52, it has very good agility, better than both Su-24 and FB-111


The last video has training mock combat between a Su-27 and a Su-34, the jet is good.

Why Russia buys 3 types of Flanker? it is very simply Russia has no money to build so many types, they could had built MiG-1.44 and make it an Eurofightersky, but it was too difficult and expensive to do it in the 1990s, so they built Su-35S to compete with Rafale and Eurofighter, Su-35S super cruises, has thrust vectoring and a radar that competes with the earlier radars of Eurofighters and Gripens.

Su-30SM is also a cheaper derivative than Su-35S, so they are inducting a few more it has thrust vectoring engines.

MiG-29KUB and MIG-29K are also cheaper than the Su-47 Berkut, originally this was designed as a carrier based aircraft, but developing it would had been very expensive,and like MiG-1.44 it would had competed with PAKFA for money.

Why induct Flanker and not Fulcrums? answer the Flanker has more range and carries more weapons; Russia is big thus Flanker is a more likely candidate than MiG-29 derivatives, only the carrier version is more logic is cheaper and smaller.

MiG-35 should soldier as an interim fighter until Russia develops PAKFA and later a light fifth generation, therefore Russia relies in old airframes because they are focusing in engines and their strategic forces.
Another aspect is Russias fleet is aging too fast most MiG-29s were built in the 1980s decade and so are the Su-27s for such a reason they are building new Flankers, is not only the export reason, Russia now has money to build Flanker derivatives but not new many aircraft, just PAKFA and PAKDA
 
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Jeff Head

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The article was simply a conversation starter...the iniial post on this thread that started it a good while, and 120 posts ago.

We have moved well on since that time.

The reasons the Russians did what they did are clear. They are continuing to do similar things with the progression of the Flanker for the same reasons...and producing very decent results. The SU-34 and SU-35 are excellent examples of this that we discuss in detail.
 

b787

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The article was simply a conversation starter...the iniial post on this thread that started it a good while, and 120 posts ago.

We have moved well on since that time.

The reasons the Russians did what they did are clear. They are continuing to do similar things with the progression of the Flanker for the same reasons...and producing very decent results. The SU-34 and SU-35 are excellent examples of this that we discuss in detail.
is not a bad question, why Russia buys more Flankers? everything is range and price, Su-27 is big but so is Su-34, the Su-34 is designed to flight for many hours, without physically tiring the crew, the pilots will enjoy B-52 ergonomics with decent agility, the canards are used to increase agility, but also to smooth the ride at low altitudes if needed, therefore the Su-34 is a unique concept.

A F-15E crew will have a harder time flying long flights seated all the time, thus the cockpit design on Su-34 is better than the ones in Su-24 and FB-111
 

Jeff Head

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is not a bad question, why Russia buys more Flankers, everything is range and price, Su-27 is big but so is Su-34, the Su-34 is designed to flight for many hours, without physically tiring the crew, the pilots will enjoy B-52 ergonomics with decent agility, the canards are used to increase agility, but also to smooth the ride at low altitudes if needed, therefore the Su-34 is a unique concept.
No one said it was a bad question.

But you are responding to the initial post of this thread though...120 posts later and a long time afterwards.

Read through the thread and see what has been posted since then instead of replying to the initial post.

if this thread was started last week or last month that would be different...but it wasn't.

That's all.
 
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b787

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You probably saw this, but it is worth repeating : Su-35 doing usual Flanker maneuvering, but this time with full air-to-air load . They probably wanted to prove that all those fancy moves have real combat value


P.S. This version of Su-35 is not a serial one (Su-35S) , it is one of the earlier prototypes with canards.
The old version is designated T-10M
click in the links you can see they are still flying them, they built 10 or so of the T-10M, the picture is from 2 days ago

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b787

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Newly delivered Su-30SM to Kazakhstan
you are correct, those are Su-27.

Agency "RIA Novosti" February 4, 2015 reported from Almaty with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, that Commander of Air Defense Forces (CBO) Nurlan Ormanbetov during his working visit to Irkutsk discussed replenishment CBO Kazakhstan new super-maneuverable fighter Su-30cm 4 ++ generation. a.

Once built for the Russian Air Force at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant JSC "Corporation" Irkut "Su-30cm (serial number 10MK5 1118) - the first in 2015. The aircraft carries the suspension simulator responsive bombs KAB-500Kr-U. Irkutsk, 31/01/2015 (c) Igor Shiryaev / russianplanes.net (link)



According to the report, during a trip in chief CBO Kazakhstan visited Irkutsk Aviation Plant, where he familiarized himself with the production of various types of aircraft Irkutsk aircraft manufacturers, and also held a number of useful meetings. Discussed issues of further military-technical cooperation between Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation within the CSTO.

"In the near future the Kazakh Air Force extended with new fighter Su-30cm 4 ++ generation. This will significantly increase the reliability of the protection of air borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan", - says the material.

At the Irkutsk Aviation venture to the theoretical retraining on new aircraft also received a group of pilots and technical staff of the aviation units CBO Kazakhstan, which during the month will be trained in the Russian colleagues.

In his speech, the general director of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant Alexei boar, quoted by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, said that the Su-30cm - is a unique, super-maneuverable fighter, whose engines have a thrust vector control. "Aviation specialists in a short time be able to prepare Kazakhstan pilots and engineering staff for Kazakh Air Force," - he said.

In turn, Ormanbetov said that this "multi-purpose aircraft will greatly enhance the combat potential of the Air Defense Forces," and the technical capabilities of the aircraft will achieve a high level of aircrew training
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