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Poles were literally put into gas chambers by Germans for being "subhuman". How can anything the USSR or Russia do beat that? How does "time" change things?

If Russian occupation was so bad, why was the majority of Polish anger in the interwar years directed at the Germans?

All I see the USSR do was rebuild countries devastated by war (in some cases build them for the first time), establish new industries and share proprietary technology for free - something the US doesn't do to this day even with its closest "allies".
Hence I wrote, "to the exception of Poland." But aligning with EU does not equate to aligning with Germany. France/UK were friends of Poland when it got divided up by the Germans/Russians (for the like the 5th time in their history). Unfortunately last few centuries of Polish history was the story of a former superpower paralyzed by an inefficient variant of democratic government that ultimately got carved up between Russians and Germans. Also Poles suffered under Russian occupation and "liberation" as well, and were under Russian, not German domination for the decades following the end of WW2. USSR had a much higher degree of direct control over Warsaw Pact countries than the US ever had over NATO countries, so Soviets saw little point to withholding technology.
You mean the Banderists? If so, I don't know what you mean by mistaken, they were very sincere in their welcoming. Even after they were rounded up and put into concentration camps by the Germans, they were still pro-German.
They were mistaken in believing the Germans were coming to liberate them. OUN pushed for an autonomous Ukrainian state. Unfortunately for them, Hitler had something else in mind for the Ukrainian people and as a result they were rounded up and imprisoned.
When did Russia occupy Hungary or Czechoslovakia prior to WW2?
Russia never did. Yet Hungary and Slovakia identified and aligned more with the Germans and/or viewed the Soviets/Bolshevism as the larger threat. In case of Hungary (and also Romania/Bulgaria), there were existing native irredentist and nationalistic sentiments which they felt could be furthered by aligning with Germany. Yet they were occupied and dominated by the Soviets after the war, as the Germans were defeated.
I don't know how you (and the other person) can say this, and yet believe the previous point you were making. They are two diametrically opposed positions.
For purposes of comparison/contrast. China and Russia are driven closer by a greater threat from a common adversary. This didn't exist in Eastern Europe. Germany for decades after WW2 was a defeated and occupied state - aligning with the West does not equate to aligning with Germany. At least from time period of WW2, it was fortunately that only Manchuria "enjoyed" Soviet "liberation," and not the rest of the country.
 

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Hence I wrote, "to the exception of Poland." But aligning with EU does not equate to aligning with Germany.
Really? Who do you think controls the EU...Bulgaria?
France/UK were friends of Poland when it got divided up by the Germans/Russians (for the like the 5th time in their history). Unfortunately last few centuries of Polish history was the story of a former superpower paralyzed by an inefficient variant of democratic government that ultimately got carved up between Russians and Germans. Also Poles suffered under Russian occupation and "liberation" as well, and were under Russian, not German domination for the decades following the end of WW2.
This is Polish nationalist propaganda. The modern nation state called Poland today was artificially created after the treaty of Versailles and has nothing to do with historical Poland. That nation became extinct hundreds of years ago. It's the exact same LARP as Hungary claiming to be descendants of Huns, or Uighurs claiming to be the modern incarnation of their historical namesake.

Are you aware of all the countries Poland went to war with in the few years of their existence? Pretty much every one of their neighbours in the space of 20 years of them being an independent state.
USSR had a much higher degree of direct control over Warsaw Pact countries than the US ever had over NATO countries, so Soviets saw little point to withholding technology.
Do you actually believe this? Even today America in some cases literally hand picks leaders for vassal European countries. Have you heard about Nuland telephone call deciding who the best PM for Ukraine will be? Even where they don't pick leaders directly they have a major say in policy. Like Obama telling the UK not to vote for Brexit.

What you are saying is also factually incorrect. Warsaw countries all had differing interpretations of socialism.

The USSR did some objectionable things, but most of that was directed toward the Asians SSRs and China. The European states had it easy.
They were mistaken in believing the Germans were coming to liberate them. OUN pushed for an autonomous Ukrainian state. Unfortunately for them, Hitler had something else in mind for the Ukrainian people and as a result they were rounded up and imprisoned.
The Germans did actually "liberate" them and gave them some autonomy. But they kept killing Poles instead of Russians and Jews like the Germans wanted to they got locked up until the end of the war when the Red Army approached. The Germans hoped when released they would fight the Russians, but nope, they went straight back to killing Poles.
For purposes of comparison/contrast. China and Russia are driven closer by a greater threat from a common adversary. This didn't exist in Eastern Europe. Germany for decades after WW2 was a defeated and occupied state - aligning with the West does not equate to aligning with Germany. At least from time period of WW2, it was fortunately that only Manchuria "enjoyed" Soviet "liberation," and not the rest of the country.
It wasn't just Manchuria, the USSR played a role in the dismemberment of Mongolia from China (which the ROC still refuses to recognise), and attempted to do the same in Xinjiang. All were much worse than anything that happened in eastern Europe.

If Chinese were to follow your logic, they wouldn't be able to put the 100+ years of Russian hostility aside. The reason they can, is they recognise the greater good....as well as the lack of national fragility and victimhood.
 
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This is not true. Eastern Europeans are anti-Russian only because doing so will give them more aid (US/EU) money. Germans put eastern Europeans in gas chambers along with the Jews, yet there is no anti-German hostility today.

Your own statements are contradictory. If China suffered terribly from Russian aggressions in the past, why are Chinese pro-Russian today? Surely they have every reason to be more anti Russian than the likes of Romania, Poland and Albania who were living in mud huts before the USSR came along.
People crave what they lack most, and these poor eastern europeans crave the respect that Germans, French, even Italians get for not being poor and having some competitive (at least until recently) industries. These are the same people that after moving overseas to some richer country, begin to look down on their own people.
So if Russia was the superpower today, and it was the US that went down in the 90's, these same people would be howling at the Germans, Americans, British the same things they're howling at the Russians today, because like the Indians, they crave the feeling of power and worthiness because it is exactly what they lack.
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I am not sure these are related but they have to start some where. The software and eco system is easy. its the all the parts collecting and quality manufacturing.
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The Russian Federation at the end of the year can get its own smartphone, completely replacing foreign counterparts​


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Rostec supplied corporate and government customers with about 3,000 smartphones running Aurora OS​


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Russia annually purchase 800 to 900 world largest dump trucks (450 ton) from Belarus for about $1b. This show scale of operation in Russia.



It is Moscow metro data of life expectancy (15 to 17m population). i think only Russia muslim regions surpass this life expectancy.
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As a result, by 2023 compared to 2010:

— life expectancy in Moscow increased from 74.2 to 78.2 years;

— the volume of high-tech care provided increased by 5.6 times, and in city hospitals by 50 times;

- infant mortality decreased by 2.4 times;

— mortality from diseases of the circulatory system decreased by 31 percent.
 

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China is playing an increasingly important role in propping up Russia’s economy and helping boost its war effort, with recent trade data showing Beijing providing a range of goods, including some with potential military applications such as microchips and trench-digging excavators.

China has become the principal source of many of the goods and components Russia’s sanctions-hit economy needs, while also giving Moscow a buyer for its oil and gas. The growing economic relationship is a central piece of the
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China’s total trade with Russia in the first seven months of this year jumped 36% from the same period a year earlier, to $134 billion, putting Moscow just behind Australia and Taiwan on the list of China’s biggest trading partners, according to trade data released last week. A breakdown of the data released Sunday showed that rising trade in energy, automobiles and electronics equipment has been driving the deepening economic ties.

China is now the source for between 45% and 50% of Russia’s imports, up from one quarter before its invasion of Ukraine, according to estimates from the Bank of Finland’s Institute for Emerging Economies, which specializes in research on the economies of China and Russia.

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too, particularly as its economy faces a host of challenges, including a
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for many of its goods. Russia has notably helped China become the
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this year. The country is, however, still only a small, if growing, fraction of China’s overall global trade.

Over the first seven months of the year, Chinese exports to Russia soared 73% even as its overall exports tumbled 5%, highlighting how Russia has become one of the few markets for Chinese goods still showing growth amid the global increase in interest rates and geopolitical tensions.

The surge in trade with Russia has been propelled by sanctions that have strangled Russia’s access to a multitude of Western-made goods. Chinese companies have stepped into the breach with products of their own, including cars, electronics, food, tobacco, metals, smartphones and other consumer goods.

Some of the increasing trade between the two countries appears to be directly connected to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said
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in June that his counterparts told him that China wouldn’t provide weapons to Russia and affirmed that the U.S. hadn’t seen evidence it had. But Blinken raised concerns about China providing other goods that help Russia’s invasion, including dual-use technologies with both civilian and military uses.
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computer chips, jet-fighter parts and navigation and jamming technology to Russia, The Wall Street Journal has reported. A report last month from the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence said China was helping Russia evade sanctions and acquire technology with military applications, while becoming an “even more critical economic partner for Russia since its invasion of Ukraine.”

One year ago, as it became increasingly clear that Putin would be unable to achieve the sort of swift victory some had predicted, Russian imports of Chinese earth-moving equipment began to rise sharply. China sold Russia nearly twice as many front-end shovel loaders and more than three times as many excavators in the first seven months of 2023 as it did over the same period a year prior.
The machines are generally used in construction, and the sharp increase suggests Russia put some of them to use building barriers to resist Ukrainian counterattacks, said Joseph Webster, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council who has analyzed the surge in such exports.
“Chinese companies have enabled the construction of Russian fortifications in Ukraine,” said Webster, referring to the data on excavators and front-end shovel loaders.

Webster, who also publishes the China-Russia Report newsletter, points to official data showing a notable increase in Chinese exports of excavators to Russia in August and September last year.

“That’s not a coincidence,” he said. “That’s when Russian forces really started to entrench themselves, when they started retreating.”
Valery Limarenko, governor of the Russian region of Sakhalin, delivered new Chinese-made excavators to troops in the Donbas area of eastern Ukraine on Russia’s national day in June, according to a video posted on his official Telegram account. The excavators, which were manufactured by Lonking, a Chinese construction equipment maker, were intended for “operational earthworks,” the account said. Lonking didn’t reply to a request for comment.

Chinese imports from Russia have also grown, albeit less than China’s exports to its neighbor and geopolitical partner. Chinese imports from Russia rose 17% over the first seven months of the year compared with the same period in 2022, to $71.1 billion. That accounted for about 4.8% of China’s total imports this year, up only modestly from a 3% share on the eve of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
China has ramped up its imports of Russian commodities, providing a stream of foreign earnings for Russia’s battered economy. China’s imports of Russian anthracite coal rose 55% year over year in the first seven months of 2023, to $2 billion. Imports of crude oil declined in dollar terms thanks to a slide in the price of the commodity, to around $32 billion, but in volume terms were up in year-over-year terms, Chinese customs data show.

For China, Russia provides a ready market for its exports as demand for goods elsewhere is tumbling. The benefit is clearest with autos, where Russian demand for Chinese-made cars
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as the world’s top vehicle exporter.
“I’m pretty sure that without this huge surge of auto exports to Russia, China wouldn’t be emerging as the world’s largest auto exporter,” says Duncan Wrigley, chief China economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics in London.

Chinese exports to Russia of motor vehicles have skyrocketed since shipments from Europe all but stopped early last year. China exported more than 341,000 motor vehicles to Russia in the first six months of the year, almost six times the number of vehicles shipped in the first half of 2022, according to customs figures compiled by data provider CEIC. Over this same period, Russia was the destination for 11.4% of all Chinese vehicle exports, up sharply from 3.7% in the first half of 2022.

As Western automakers retreat from the Russian market, Chinese-made cars and SUVs are now bestsellers.
Russia became the top importer of Chinese vehicles this year. As of June, six of the top 10 car brands in Russia were Chinese, compared with none three years ago, according to Autostat, a Moscow-based agency that analyzes the auto industry.
 

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Afghan has sent 2000 tons of grapes to Russia through Uzbek.
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The Afghan authorities sent about 2,000 tons of grapes to Russia. This is reported by TASS, referring to the TV channel Ariana News.

Grapes grown in the province of Balkh (northern Afghanistan) were sent to Russia through the city of Hairatan, which is located on the border with Uzbekistan, this weekend.

Representatives of local authorities consider the emerging trend in fruit exports from Afghanistan to be positive. They also expect to start exporting pomegranates and apples through Hairatan in the near future.

As noted, the export of grapes to the Russian Federation through neighboring Uzbekistan is carried out in such quantities for the first time.

Russia carrier Pobeda is going to connect 3 southern Russian cities to UAE. The significance of this event is that Russia was conserving aircraft of Boeing/Airbus either for domestic routes or locations where there is no other way to reach. UAE is certainly not that location.

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lack of car carrier drivers have left cars in Russia largest automobile manufacturing site. Salaries are now between $2000 to $3500 per month but still shortages.
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Against this background, Avtovaztrans JSC, which specializes in the delivery of AvtoVAZ commercial vehicles, is already ready to pay an E category driver from 180 to 300 thousand rubles a month, although back in September last year the company was looking for workers for the same vacancy, offering from 100 thousand. rubles.

Russian still No 1 in Turkiye tourism this despite heat wave and fires in Turkiye. This one way of measuring wealth of society. how much percentage of its population can take vacations. Russia has many tourist places domestically and flights to Arab world are matching Turkiye.

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Arrivals from Russia in the seven-month period reached the figure of nearly 3.5 million, the Culture and Tourism Ministry data showed. They were followed by 3.21 million tourists coming to Türkiye from Germany and 2.6 million from the U.K.
 

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Russian grain is replacing Kazakh in EAEU and Iran. but the more important statistic is that Kazakh port on Caspian Sea has become uncompetitive and that is contributing to decrease sales. Russian has been spending tremendous effort in improving its port and transport infrastructure going North-South so this indirect third party confirmation.
than there is Iran saying defense cooperation expanding daily which is also point towrads improved logistics.
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Russia ousted Kazakh grain from Iran​

The round table
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was held on August 2 in Astana. The prospects for a new crop, pricing and logistics issues were discussed. Alexander Malov, head of the KYC Trade Committee, spoke about the narrowing of sales opportunities for Kazakh wheat and barley, associated with the expansion of Russian grain to traditional markets for Kazakhstan.

He cited Kyrgyzstan as an example of a completely lost market for Kazakhstan: before this country joined the EAEU, Kazakhstan covered 90% of the country's needs for all types of grain. However, after the accession of Kyrgyzstan to the Economic Union, the factors that hindered the expansion of Russian grain into this region, such as the export duty and the transit railway tariff, disappeared. Today, cheaper Russian grain has completely replaced Kazakh grain from there.

Secondly, the seaport of Aktau, which previously worked mainly in the Iranian direction, remained unloaded

“Now the port's capacities are loaded by 15% and there are no prospects for improving the situation,” Alexander Malov said.
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grain conference , which will be held on September 27-28 , 2023 in Hilton Astana, will discuss in detail the issues of trade in grains and oilseeds. The organizer is Grain Market Services in partnership with the Grain Union of Kazakhstan and the Union of Field Growers of Kazakhstan


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Russia finance Minister has taken flight in MS-21 but new thing he mentioned that updated Tu-214 is competitive Boeing and Airbus. he may have seen some data.
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"Excellent. No worse than the best Western analogues. Good sound insulation, comfortable cabin, ergonomic domestic seats. The cockpit is modern," the minister said, sharing his impressions of the flight on the MS-21 aircraft.
"By the way, the updated TU-214 will be as efficient as Boeing and Airbus. I would like these planes to fly faster with passengers on regular flight routes," Siluanov said.

SSJ New on ground test. this intermediate aircraft with still priro joint engines. Russia has now 4 final assembly lines of Civil Aircraft. which will be the biggest of all the countries.
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