Russia displays military might

utelore said:

...and here we go again....america is evil ,america is bad ,america will collaspe in 20 years...Ole ute will say goodbys for another few months...children and amatures not willing to learn really hurts boards like this. by by

just do some research.

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No, america isn't evil, americans are just ignorant, that's all.

I honestly fear what's coming to the US in the future.


If it's anywhere else, the country will just collapse in ruins.
But because it's the USSA where projectile weapons are a plenty, I fear for the worst.

Oh well, nothing new under the sun...

utelore said:

crobrato, due some research into the current russian FSB and ministry of interior troops along with the FSS they outnumber the regular army and no they are not just police, they are organized in brigade and regiment sized formations with BMP's,BTR and SP arty. They counterbalance the MoD and are disliked by the MoD. The airborne troops are not even under Army control buy directly subordinate to the russian :roflresident:rofl: or now subordinate to the prime minister

and here we go again....america is evil ,america is bad ,america will collaspe in 20 years...Ole ute will say goodbys for another few months...children and amatures not willing to learn really hurts boards like this. by by

just do some research.

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You actually need to do the research, man before you claim that others should. And I did.

The Russian MVD internal troops is roughly 200,000 give or take each year.

The Russian armed forces has over one million troops give or take each year.

And Daveman, cool it a bit on the political commentary.

crobato said:

You actually need to do the research, man before you claim that others should. And I did.

The Russian MVD internal troops is roughly 200,000 give or take each year.

The Russian armed forces has over one million troops give or take each year.

Dave, cool it a bit on the political commentary.

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OK russian army 395,000 include the airborne forces not under army control
paramilitary/shadow army
FBGS=160,000
MOI=170,000
FSS=4,000
FPS=30,000
FCIA=55,000
RRT=50,000
Total-469,000 under these orgs which all have heavy forces under their commands

Get to know some people in the business and work for TRADOC doing threat assessment and orientation a few years. stay away from your current sources or get a sub to IISS or also know a few working there. Crobato, you have know idea about my background what agency I have or have not worked for but I stake 10G that my job portfolio military related far exceeded yours.

Now go back to your nice job/volunteer for this child board that once had some eyes of some reputable professionals reading it. I have to go back protecting your right to chat and play russian advocate....cheers ute
post script: russia and MVD stoped using that name several years ago. no more MVD. see above

Federal Border Guards are some form of shadow army? They're for border patrol not internal control. They're akin to the Border Patrol and the Coast Guard.

The FPS and the FSS are the Russian equivalent of the FBI and Secret Service.

Why are you lumping these with the MVD?

The MVD is basically the National Guard, National Police (in some countries they have a unified police force) and like China's PAP rolled into one. They're not as good or as heavily armed as the regular Army. In addition to the Army, the Naval Infantry (their Marines) and Airborne Infantry which are not part of the army, are still part of the regular Armed Forces.

crobato said:

Border Guards, Federal Services, Airborne and Naval infantry may not belong to the Army, but they all fall under the command of the Armed Forces. The MVD is the one that is not under the regular command of the Armed Forces, but during war it will fall under their command. The MVD doesn't have the hardware of the regular Army; it comparable to a national guard, national police and anti-terrorist force.

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They do not share the same COC as MoD, they are a counterbalance. MVD different than in 94 with the rise of FSB. Have you learned about the "russian legion" or the forces for the protection of the russian federation" YOU WONT! not complete russian open source but is accounted for by TRADOC as two operational entities there are more alphabet soup armys in Russia now than ever in any other country in history. and actually the naval inf do now fall under MoD CoC.

Let me say this again. The FBG is a border force---170,000 people spread out in the world's largest border. And while it is now under the control of the FSB, how is the FBG meant to police and screw the people within the state. It is a Border Patrol and Coast Guard.

Once you leave that, you are left with the rest, none of whom have the kind of heavy forces, e.g. full tank divisions, that you can deal with the MoD, the MOI basically at best light motorized infantry.

Now go back to your nice job/volunteer for this child board that once had some eyes of some reputable professionals reading it. I have to go back protecting your right to chat and play russian advocate....cheers ute
post script: russia and MVD stoped using that name several years ago. no more MVD. see above

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What protects my right to chat is a system of laws, from threats that also include internal ones. I don't need you to protect my rights, which I will do so later to flame Russian advocates in another forum.

daveman said:

I agree, just ask the Romans. Or the Byzantines.
Seriously, man, go get an education, would you?

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Thank's for making my point for me. The Romans, especially but not entirely towards the end of later end of the empire i.e. post-Hadrian went through periods of crisis and resurgence; bad emperors would cause problems that would be fixed by better emperors. The Byzantine Empire is an even better example. IT happens to sort of be an area of expertise for me. Have you ever looked at a historical atlas that shows it in detail? It constantly contracted and expanded. At one point it even dissapeared entirely and within a generation it was back and larger before. The point here is that a state with strong institutions is very resiliant and can survive rough patches.

Finn McCool said:

Thank's for making my point for me. The Romans, especially but not entirely towards the end of later end of the empire i.e. post-Hadrian went through periods of crisis and resurgence; bad emperors would cause problems that would be fixed by better emperors. The Byzantine Empire is an even better example. IT happens to sort of be an area of expertise for me. Have you ever looked at a historical atlas that shows it in detail? It constantly contracted and expanded. At one point it even dissapeared entirely and within a generation it was back and larger before. The point here is that a state with strong institutions is very resiliant and can survive rough patches.

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Hahahahaha! That's sweet, man.

So when are you going to do as I've asked?

"Go ask a Roman, or a Byzantine?"

Let me know when you've found one, k?

******* ..mods note you are treading on thin ice Daveman. Personal insults are not tolerated.

daveman said:

Hahahahaha! That's sweet, man.

So when are you going to do as I've asked?

"Go ask a Roman, or a Byzantine?"

Let me know when you've found one, k?

******* ..mods note you are treading on thin ice Daveman. Personal insults are not tolerated.

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What does that even mean? I've made my points and you just reply with sarcasm and no substance so until you can make some actual points I'm just going to ignore you from this point on.