Rumoured Projects & Likelihood Thereof

ACuriousPLAFan

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Welp, apparently Adorable Whale is claiming that (in his own Weibo chat group) the rumors/claims on the development of the new common platform for special mission aircraft are merely nonsense:

Which SOYO replied: "We'll know everything in the next couple of years anyway."

On the other hand, @Oneninety replied to a follower in a comment section who was asking about this development: "It's only a matter of time (before this new common platform aircraft comes out."

So, eh. Make of that what you will.

So there appears to be some ongoing misunderstandings?

The following is taken from one of SOYO's comment sections on Weibo (where @rational314159 first posted that Adorable Whale/Cute Orca's claim from Twitter, resulting in SOYO's response in my previous post). Note that for Chinese, please read from bottom up, left page to right page.

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Translation of the comments (already arranged in order, and only included those that matter):
SOYO (responding to rational's screenshot on Twitter): We'll know everything in the next couple of years anyway
极端扩核拥护者: Didn't Cute Orca mention earlier that (China) needs a 2030s-level Boeing 707?
她曾言岸芷汀兰: (Replying to 极端扩核拥护者) Isn't the Boeing 707 basically a low-wing monoplane jetliner that is situated between the 757 and 767 (in terms of size)? The only question is whether this (new common platform aircraft) uses 2 engines or 4 engines
whyj22: Cute Orca is just disagreeing on the notion of using CJ2000's core to develop the 25-tonf engine, not that he disagreed with the notion of developing the new common platform aircraft
rational: It is said that in his group chat, Cute Orca evaluates the notion that “Xi’an AC will use two CF6-80C-class engines to cobble together a 2030s-level Boeing 707” as “bullshit.”
手机用户3015325097: (Replying to rational) Cute Orca himself said last year that (China) is developing a 2030s-level Boeing 707
极端扩核拥护者: (Replying to whyj22) So that means they will develop a brand-new 25-tonf engine?
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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So there appears to be some ongoing confusion?

The following is taken from one of SOYO's comment sections on Weibo (where @rational314159 first posted that Adorable Whale/Cute Orca's claim from Twitter, resulting in SOYO's response in my previous post). Note that for Chinese, please read from bottom up, left page to right page.

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Translation of the comments (already arranged in order, and only included those that matter):

One more update:
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whyj22: (Replying to rational) I myself is in his group, he himself said that he's only unsupportive (of the notion that) the CJ2000's core is used to develop a 25-tonf turbofan engine (for military use), and (his words are) unrelated to anything else

whyj22 also attached a screenshot of said group chat (which I won't post here for obvious reasons), where Adorable Whale stressed that he is only rejecting the CJ2000's core-to-25 ton-force engine notion. He also clarified that he didn't say that he is unsupportive of/rejecting the notion of the purported development of the new common platform aircraft.

So I suppose the misunderstanding is resolved.
 

Alfa_Particle

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One more update:
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whyj22 also attached a screenshot of said group chat (which I won't post here for obvious reasons), where Adorable Whale stressed that he is only rejecting the CJ2000's core-to-25 ton-force engine notion. He also clarified that he didn't say that he is unsupportive of/rejecting the notion of the purported development of the new common platform aircraft.

So I suppose the misunderstanding is resolved.
CJ2000A being a GEnx-1A class engine scaled back to a CF6-80C2 class engine is a ridiculous notion anyways. That's practically a new engine. The new 250 kN engine might've borrowed tech from the 2kA but I doubt it's a direct scale down.
 

Deino

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One more update:
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whyj22 also attached a screenshot of said group chat (which I won't post here for obvious reasons), where Adorable Whale stressed that he is only rejecting the CJ2000's core-to-25 ton-force engine notion. He also clarified that he didn't say that he is unsupportive of/rejecting the notion of the purported development of the new common platform aircraft.

So I suppose the misunderstanding is resolved.


So in summary - and pardon to ask, but the last three days have been more than busy - the rumours about a new common airframe, likely a twin-engined B757/767-sized aircraft are true, but the claims, its engine is based on the CJ2000's core is wrong?
 

00CuriousObserver

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So in summary - and pardon to ask, but the last three days have been more than busy - the rumours about a new common airframe, likely a twin-engined B757/767-sized aircraft are true, but the claims, its engine is based on the CJ2000's core is wrong?

Btw, not a response to this, but "鳖" isn't turtle in this context. In CN slang talk it broadly means "CCP", and here it means "PLA" or "PLA version". So "鳖CF6-80C2" is "PLA/sino version of CF6-80C2"
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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So in summary - and pardon to ask, but the last three days have been more than busy - the rumours about a new common airframe, likely a twin-engined B757/767-sized aircraft are true, but the claims, its engine is based on the CJ2000's core is wrong?

Yes.

Now, I think it's better to let me make this situation clearer for everyone's reference:

#1 - The rumor/claim of Xi'an AC working on a new common special mission aircraft platform project (with the aircraft size/MTOW that is either similar to the Boeing 767 or situated between the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767) is true.

However, at the current stage of development, I am in no position to declare that this project is 100% guaranteed to become a reality, only that I would say that we may be able to expect this aircraft to become a reality within the next couple of years if the project does become a success. Hence, I would retain the rating for this project at "3 - Maybe exists, some models that may bear some resemblance to something, some rumours from some credible sources".

#2 - The 25 ton-force turbofan engine meant for this purported new common special mission platform aircraft (and most likely shared with the Sino-C-5 as well) would be a brand-new design (as the notion of developing a 25 ton-force engine using the core of the CJ-2000/directly scaled-down from CJ-2000 is deemed nonsensical/ridiculous).
 
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