Rumoured "mini-nuke/diesel" Submarine SSK-N(?) thread

W20

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Hotel* load: 200 kw
Silent+ patrol @ 3 knots: 50 kw
x 24 hours = 6 MWh

/ (ca. 600-700 MWh) = 10 days

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*: It should be noted that the "Hotel" includes the electrical consumption of the sensors and all the devices, which are not few.

+: It should be noted that 3-5 knots in some cases is the same as standing still due to the sea current, on the other hand, higher speed is not convenient for silent patrol so as not to make noise to the passive sonar, which is the great tool in silent hunting.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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"Taigei"

Hotel* load: 200 kw
Silent patrol @ 3 knots: 50 kw
x 24 hours = 6 MWh

/ (ca. 600-700 MWh) = 10 days

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*: It should be noted that the "Hotel" includes the electrical consumption of the sensors and all the devices, which are not few.

You should compile everything you want to say, discuss or post into one single post (or two if getting too long), instead of posting bits and pieces of posts and wasting page numbers in the process.
 

W20

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and how can I know in advance for example that someone asks for VLS

anyway thank you very much

it is better to spend time on my project "W20" and its magnificent hydrodynamics

thanks

- immersion
- tauuu chen
 

zyklon

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I really don't think you want to put AShBM in something like a 3600t mini nuke.

The South Korean KSS-III is about the same size and equipped with VLS. The smaller Type 212CD is reportedly capable of integrating a VLS as well.

The Dakar submarines that the Israeli Navy currently have on order from TKMS, are expected to be equipped with VLS too, though no idea yet if it's going to be fitted into the hull or the sail. Granted, Israel might be pursuing more of a strategic capability given their "unique circumstances."

Even the Indian Navy's P-75I program appears preferential towards VLS equipped bids.

I agree with you that there are obstacles to and potential tradeoffs in integrating VLS onto relatively smaller platforms.

However, considering recent developments, a VLS equipped "mini nuke SSK" in the 3,500 ton ballpark is not implausible and would arguably align with prevailing trends.

Anytime you launch missiles from a sub, it has to come up to periscope depth to do it, which reduces its stealth.

Modern SLBMs are definitely launchable below periscope depth, so if anything, whether a PLAN submarine will have to be at periscope depth to launch missiles will really depend on how far the PLAN has progressed in terms of subsurface communications technology.

It's one thing for 093B to do it, because it's in the middle of Pacific Ocean and has the speed to scoot away afterward. And no other assets can really deliver missiles against San Diego. You don't get the same rationale for a sub that's just operating within 2IC.

The PLAN has yet to secure the 1C, otherwise Taiwan and the South China Sea would not even make for particularly contestable matters.

While the PLAN is definitely sailing a lot further from Chinese shores these days than even a decade ago, 093Bs are not going to be within striking range of San Diego on a regular basis until the PLAN first secures the 1IC.

How is the PLAN supposed to focus on San Diego when there are more pressing threats closer to home?

Point is if a 093B can make use of VLS cells in waters closer to home that are currently prioritized by the PLAN, so can a "mini nuke SSK," especially given its probable advantages over "more conventional" SSK platforms in terms of speed and endurance.
 

tphuang

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"Taigei"

Hotel* load: 200 kw
Silent+ patrol @ 3 knots: 50 kw
x 24 hours = 6 MWh

/ (ca. 600-700 MWh) = 10 days

---

*: It should be noted that the "Hotel" includes the electrical consumption of the sensors and all the devices, which are not few.

+: It should be noted that 3-5 knots in some cases is the same as standing still due to the sea current, on the other hand, higher speed is not convenient for silent patrol so as not to make noise to the passive sonar, which is the great tool in silent hunting.

This still does not include atmospherical control. Which means it still has to come up to snorkel. It's pretty easy to figure out how far a diesel submarine can go in 4 knots and just have your aerial asset fly over there and snuff it out. Diesel subs needing to ventilate pretty much just give the game away.

That's why 320kW AIP still have plenty of constraint in what you can do.

Your solution is better for UUV. Which btw, has its own challenges. As in the AI needs to be able to identify targets correctly.
 

tphuang

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The South Korean KSS-III is about the same size and equipped with VLS. The smaller Type 212CD is reportedly capable of integrating a VLS as well.

The Dakar submarines that the Israeli Navy currently have on order from TKMS, are expected to be equipped with VLS too, though no idea yet if it's going to be fitted into the hull or the sail. Granted, Israel might be pursuing more of a strategic capability given their "unique circumstances."

Even the Indian Navy's P-75I program appears preferential towards VLS equipped bids.

I agree with you that there are obstacles to and potential tradeoffs in integrating VLS onto relatively smaller platforms.

However, considering recent developments, a VLS equipped "mini nuke SSK" in the 3,500 ton ballpark is not implausible and would arguably align with prevailing trends.

Modern SLBMs are definitely launchable below periscope depth, so if anything, whether a PLAN submarine will have to be at periscope depth to launch missiles will really depend on how far the PLAN has progressed in terms of subsurface communications technology.

The PLAN has yet to secure the 1C, otherwise Taiwan and the South China Sea would not even make for particularly contestable matters.

While the PLAN is definitely sailing a lot further from Chinese shores these days than even a decade ago, 093Bs are not going to be within striking range of San Diego on a regular basis until the PLAN first secures the 1IC.

How is the PLAN supposed to focus on San Diego when there are more pressing threats closer to home?

Point is if a 093B can make use of VLS cells in waters closer to home that are currently prioritized by the PLAN, so can a "mini nuke SSK," especially given its probable advantages over "more conventional" SSK platforms in terms of speed and endurance.
I'm honestly not sure what the obsession is putting capabilities on ships that don't need them.

What is the role of a mini-nuke? What do you need it to do?

China's fire power is overwhelming within 2IC through DFs and aerial assets. But a few VLS/ on mini-nukes don't bring much.
 
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