Rumoured "mini-nuke/diesel" Submarine SSK-N(?) thread

[W20]

You don't have to go that far to reach the silent patrol areas, three, four days, maybe five in the most remote areas if we assume 10 knots, and much less time to reach the areas to cover the flanks.

No frigate can approach them because the large fleet that will be behind with the 055 would destroy them with their tremendous anti-ship capacity.

The battery revolution is very striking, let's think for example that the addition of AIP + new batteries is already a surprising submarine for silent patrol, if we add deployment speed it is a game changer.

 

[tphuang]

UUV’s could be used to deliver provisions to SSK-N’s to extend their patrol times.

It might also be safe for these submarines to surface in areas that are protected by Type 055’s and Type 054B’s and be resupplied by UAV or USV, or even an AG-600 which could rotate an entire crew of 50 people at sea.

Against Guam these resupply and even crew rotation missions could occur deep in the Sulu, Celebes or South China Seas. Even if they are detected they are well protected in bubbles of air and sea dominance.

This is a serious question. How is UUV going to find a quiet mini nuke in the water between first and second island chain?

Here is the thing. mini nuke isn't going to move very fast. It can only go so far in 24 hours while keeping its noise down. So the longer it stays underwater (with minimal PD surfacing for xmit), the harder it is for adversary to figure out where it is. Why would you intentionally give away its location?

PLAN is going to know what missions they have in mind for a mini-nuke and design the size accordingly. I don't know the answer.

You don't have to go that far to reach the silent patrol areas, three, four days, maybe five in the most remote areas if we assume 10 knots, and much less time to reach the areas to cover the flanks.

No frigate can approach them because the large fleet that will be behind with the 055 would destroy them with their tremendous anti-ship capacity.

The battery revolution is very striking, let's think for example that the addition of AIP + new batteries is already a surprising submarine for silent patrol, if we add deployment speed it is a game changer.

again, 10 knots is in the very upper end of what the reactor provided power can do based on our previous calculations. Why does it need to sustain that type of speed for transiting?

The concern for mini nuke once you get past 1IC is not frigates, but SSNs

 

[Andy1974]

This is a serious question. How is UUV going to find a quiet mini nuke in the water between first and second island chain?

Here is the thing. mini nuke isn't going to move very fast. It can only go so far in 24 hours while keeping its noise down. So the longer it stays underwater (with minimal PD surfacing for xmit), the harder it is for adversary to figure out where it is. Why would you intentionally give away its location?

If you want to resupply by UUV only and without any communication at all then, for example, prior to departure the SSKN will be given a list of locations and times where the resupply UUV will be in approximately 30 days. It is then up to the SSKN to be there at one of those times. There is no need to find each other, just be at the same place at the same time.

I think it’s OK to surface in a safe location to resupply because you are doing it to resupply, not to get air like an SSK.

You are doing it once a month only and you can easily surface next to a friendly destroyer given a months notice. This isn’t exactly ”giving away your position” as you are in a safe zone, with full provisions and a destroyer escort.