ROCN thread

[darth sidious]

so far the ROCN has manage to maintain a sizeable fleet ccapable to cambating even the south korean navy and repelling most invasion attempts

although it has no ageis warships the new kidds still has a strong airdefence
its also has serviceable weapons such as Sm-1, harpoon etc

modify gearing are not to be taken lightly either as they now most weapon systems found on the spurence class destroyer!!!

what do you think will be the future of the "provincial" armada

to start us off here ist a list of it equipment

13* modify Gearing class destroyer rearmed with sm-1 hf-2 ssm and bofors 40mm gun

4* kidd class destroyer

8* knox class asw frigate

8* modify perry class frigate

6*La Fayette class frigate ( note with down graded weapons)

2* outdated WWII sub

2*semi-modern dutch sub( with problemtic toperdos)

many updated WWII LST LSM etc

some missile armed FAC

 

[swimmerXC]

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A warning to any immature members, if I see the words "If USN interfere, PLA can always nuke their @SS" or anything to do with nuclear war with the US; this thread will be closed.

 

[DPRKPTboat]

According to what Darth Sidious has posted, the ROCN seems to be mostly a surface navy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Taiwanese sub fleet is inferior to the Chinese sub fleet. The way for the PLAN to defeat the ROCN would be to simply use its Song, Yuan and Kilo submarine fleet to sink the enemy surface vessles and track down their subs. Or they could just bomb them in their ports if they wanted to do a Blitzkreig style invasion. Other than that, I think that the Taiwanese navy will pose few problems for the PLA invasion force.

 

[darth sidious]

well in asia only china has a very strong sub fleet all other nation either have no subs or a weak fleet

besides the taiwanese have some knox class asw frigates with asrocs anti-sub missile

unless fighting an enemy like china which will enploy ssm massive air bombardment etc

the taiwanese fleet can preety much hold its own aginst most other nation

 

[The_Zergling]

According to what Darth Sidious has posted, the ROCN seems to be mostly a surface navy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Taiwanese sub fleet is inferior to the Chinese sub fleet.

No, you're correct that the ROCN has only a few subs, and they are widely regarded to be inferior. A common joke is that the ROCN has 3 subs, one that can stay afloat but can't dive, one that can dive but can't stay afloat, and one that can stay afloat AND dive, but can't shoot. Now obviously this is an exaggeration, but it shows that the Taiwanese (generally) don't have much faith in the power of their sub fleet. Of course, the person who told me this wasn't part of the navy, he was army, but still.

The arms bill that was frozen for the past few months (years) would have included 8 diesel submarines, 300~ patriot missiles, and a handful of anti-submarine aircraft. They seem to be directly aimed at helping to ease the gap between the sub fleets, but the bill has not yet passed, for some obvious reasons. I'm interested in seeing the arms bill that the opposition will bring up sometimes this (or next) month, as they have (accurately) dismissed the bill as too expensive and unrealistic.

well in asia only china has a very strong sub fleet all other nation either have no subs or a weak fleet

the taiwanese fleet can preety much hold its own aginst most other nation

Well, for one thing the only country Taiwan considers an "enemy" is China, so it's pretty much designed to fight China. If you look at the types of ships and aircraft, you can easily tell that it's not designed for say, overseas deployments, on the whole it's a defensive oriented strategy. My guess is that none of the subs carry ICBMs aimed at China, only torps.

I'm not too sure about the rest of the Asian fleets, however.

 

[darth sidious]

No, you're correct that the ROCN has only a few subs, and they are widely regarded to be inferior. A common joke is that the ROCN has 3 subs, one that can stay afloat but can't dive, one that can dive but can't stay afloat, and one that can stay afloat AND dive, but can't shoot. Now obviously this is an exaggeration, but it shows that the Taiwanese (generally) don't have much faith in the power of their sub fleet. Of course, the person who told me this wasn't part of the navy, he was army, but still..

actualy there is abit of truce behind this in the 80s one of the guppy sub taiwan got divied in 左營 habour but cant surface due to faliure in high pressure air system.

later on when taiwan bought the dutch Zwaardvis it was discovered that the sut torperds they were armed with was defective

Well, for one thing the only country Taiwan considers an "enemy" is China, so it's pretty much designed to fight China. If you look at the types of ships and aircraft, you can easily tell that it's not designed for say, overseas deployments, on the whole it's a defensive oriented strategy. My guess is that none of the subs carry ICBMs aimed at China, only torps.

I'm not too sure about the rest of the Asian fleets, however.

lets just a japanese or korean invasion would fear far worse then the chinese as either of them as strong sub fleet and most taiwanese ships have ssm

ship commissioned during the KMT/chaing er are usuely named after location in china or famous chinese generals especialy those that defeated forgeiners
reflect the nature of poltics at the time

currently they got changed by online votes

 

[adeptitus]

13* modify Gearing class destroyer rearmed with sm-1 hf-2 ssm and bofors 40mm gun

The Gearing (Chao Yang) class destroyers were updated Wu Chin I-III program. Currently the ship is armed with:

4x Hsiung Feng II SSM
10x box launcher for SM-1MR
1x 8 cel ASROC rocket launcher
1x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
1x 76mm gun
2x triple 12.75" torpedo launchers
2x 40mm/70 AA guns
1x Helicopter landing pad

Currently there are 7 Chao Yang class destroyers in operational status. The other 7 have been scrapped.

Keep in mind that these ships are built in 1945-1946. They're pretty old, but is also a testiment to US shipbuilder's quality. If they had came from Russian shipyards, I think they'd have fell apart by now.

IMO the ROCN should upgrade their Kang Deng (La Fayette) class Frigates first, with better air-defense missiles and ASW capability. As is the platform is a sitting duck if war breaks out.

 

[adeptitus]

Well, for one thing the only country Taiwan considers an "enemy" is China, so it's pretty much designed to fight China. If you look at the types of ships and aircraft, you can easily tell that it's not designed for say, overseas deployments, on the whole it's a defensive oriented strategy. My guess is that none of the subs carry ICBMs aimed at China, only torps.
I'm not too sure about the rest of the Asian fleets, however.

Let's not forget about the Daoyutai conflict with Japan. =p

With exception to the little island in South China Sea, Taiwan's only local security concern is being sandwitched between Japan, China, and Philippines. It's impossible for the ROCN to match up against PLAN or Japanese Navy in budget or ships. But then the Philippine Navy probably feels the same way about ROCN. hehehe.

 

[darth sidious]

The Gearing (Chao Yang) class destroyers were updated Wu Chin I-III program. Currently the ship is armed with:

4x Hsiung Feng II SSM
10x box launcher for SM-1MR
1x 8 cel ASROC rocket launcher
1x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
1x 76mm gun
2x triple 12.75" torpedo launchers
2x 40mm/70 AA guns
1x Helicopter landing pad

Currently there are 7 Chao Yang class destroyers in operational status. The other 7 have been scrapped.

Keep in midn that these ships are built in 1945-1946. They're pretty old, but is also a testiment to US shipbuilder's quality. If they had came from Russian shipyards, I think they'd have fell apart by now.

IMO the ROCN should upgrade their Kang Deng (La Fayette) class Frigates first, with better air-defense missiles and ASW capability. As is the platform is a sitting duck if war breaks out.

the extra 6 are not scarped but put on "reduce crewing" to save money

the ROCN manage to add so much weapon( and mordern ones !) on to a old hull this its self deserves credit

old ship do have some disvantage they cant steam faster the 25 knots without risk of boiler explosion

also some dont have ASROC but insted have and extra 4 cell Hf-2 launcher( comparbel to early harpon block1C)

BUt for Russian ships I think you are wrong the PLAN operated 3 1930s vintage soviet type o7 destroyer untiled the early 90s ( upgraded off course)

 

[The_Zergling]

lets just a japanese or korean invasion would fear far worse then the chinese as either of them as strong sub fleet and most taiwanese ships have ssm

ship commissioned during the KMT/chaing er are usuely named after location in china or famous chinese generals especialy those that defeated forgeiners
reflect the nature of poltics at the time

currently they got changed by online votes

Um... I have a hard time interpreting your English, sorry about that, but I'm guessing what you're trying to say is that Taiwan should fear a Japanese or Korean invasion more than a Chinese one, at least navy wise.

Political workings that would make this absurd aside, does anyone have detailed information regarding the undersea power of Japan and South Korea?

Let's not forget about the Daoyutai conflict with Japan. =p

With exception to the little island in South China Sea, Taiwan's only local security concern is being sandwitched between Japan, China, and Philippines. It's impossible for the ROCN to match up against PLAN or Japanese Navy in budget or ships. But then the Philippine Navy probably feels the same way about ROCN. hehehe.

Well, I'm pretty sure that conflict with Japan is definitely not desirable from a Taiwanese standpoint. True, there were unpleasantries exchanged about the Daoyutai, but nothing very serious. Yes, there was a certain pan-blue lawmaker who made a publicity stunt aboard one of Taiwan's cruisers/destroyers (can't remember what class) but seriously, all that military posture was simply to garner votes. There are people who think that Taiwan should "show resolve" against Japan, so this kind of action does have some effect towards winning over voters, especially the fishermen that felt threatened.

Of course, there's no way Taiwan would be able to take on Japan anyway, and even if the ROC could or actually wanted to it's simply pointless. I'm not sure about the stance regarding the Phillipines, but as far as press coverage goes you'll find more articles considering China to be the hostile one as opposed to Japan or the Phillipines. Mind you, there actually aren't as many hostile articles towards China as you might expect.

I believe that the military strategy is also geared towards China, but this is just my guess, as I'm not in the military.