Current hardened shelters on taiwan do show up quite nicely on google earth. But i must say i'm perplexed to why does it take so long to build one. I mean, i guess i understand - in peace time its more cost effective do it at a certain pace but i would think if political situation starts deteriorating rapidly towards a war that one such shelter could be built within a week if no expense and workforce is spared.
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Vlad Plasmius said:
The F-16 cockpit has a nice clear-view bubble canopy where the pilot could have 360 degree field of vision, but of course we don't expect the pilot to twist his head backwards like the Exorcist movie.
Totoro said:
Major construction projects in Taiwan tend to have corruption problems. Also, depending on the location (in TW), it might rain a lot and that makes concrete work difficult.
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cabbageman said:
cabbageman, can you tell us how many are being built, and how much of the airforce will they protect? I'm curious because it would obviously make a great difference as to how Taiwan could retaliate against a Chinese attack (after the inevitable missile barrage).
darth sidious
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cabbageman said:
taiwanese records are mostly lies chinese documents proved that ages ago
the HAS is sady outdated a chinese M-9 missile launcheds a 1000KG warhead at speed of mach 3 no way anything in that will surive
the airfield will also be turned into createrville even if teh plans surive they cant take off
P.S chinese airforce generaly dont use 250kg bomb
cabbageman
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Efficiency is often the price of democracy.
Currently the aircraft to HAS ratio is more than ½. Factor-in the eastern mountain bases, most aircrafts are covered. The precise number of new HAS planned is unknown. ROCAF is tight lipped about this kind of projects.
In Desert Storm, USAF had to use the special I-2000 Laser Guided Bomb to attack Iraqi HAS. In many cases, Battle Damage Assessment problems resulted in multiple air strikes to each HAS. M-9 warhead is only 500kg, and its CEP cannot compare to LGB at all. Ballistic missiles are accurate enough for runway, but not HAS. PLAAF’s ISR capability certainly isn’t superior than USAF either.
ROCAF’s gun images aren’t enough. Chinese documents without gun image is even worst. If you only want to look at official PLAAF and ROCAF documents, all you get is a nice propaganda comparison. Those “prove” nothing.
Currently the aircraft to HAS ratio is more than ½. Factor-in the eastern mountain bases, most aircrafts are covered. The precise number of new HAS planned is unknown. ROCAF is tight lipped about this kind of projects.
In Desert Storm, USAF had to use the special I-2000 Laser Guided Bomb to attack Iraqi HAS. In many cases, Battle Damage Assessment problems resulted in multiple air strikes to each HAS. M-9 warhead is only 500kg, and its CEP cannot compare to LGB at all. Ballistic missiles are accurate enough for runway, but not HAS. PLAAF’s ISR capability certainly isn’t superior than USAF either.
ROCAF’s gun images aren’t enough. Chinese documents without gun image is even worst. If you only want to look at official PLAAF and ROCAF documents, all you get is a nice propaganda comparison. Those “prove” nothing.
darth sidious
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cabbageman said:
ther arent even that many mig for them to shoot at most of their records is doubtful
you failed to factor in the Kenetic energy of the Mach 3 involved ( warhead of M-9 =1000KG 500kg is for M-7) . given the speed involved the HAs would doubtless be destroyed.
exactly how the F-16 is suspose to take off from the base when its runways is destroyed is beyond me.( given they surived the subsquent cruise missile attack and close bombing by PLA aircraft )
for some enagements 5 out of 6 machine gun on a saber jammed given teh migs strong construction 1*M2 is hardly enough to shoot down a mig
also teh taiwanese records clain more MIg-17 then thePLAF's entire inventor at the time given the chinese airforce has just fought the USAF in korean war and their superior equipment the huge taiwanese claims are almost entire flase
e.g they claim 3 migs shoot down using AIM-9B in reality 1 mig-15bis was lost
wore yet the inexploded Aim9b was recovered and used to RnR the K-13
KMT forced have a tradition to calim huge victories when inreality they lost
darth sidious said:
The Taiwanese can't loose as long as Taiwan survives as an independent political entity. I am assuming the engagements being disscussed were inititaed by the Chinese as probing attacks to see if an invasion was feasible and worth it. If this is true, then the Taiwanese were winners because they persuaded the Chinese that it was not wise to procced with an invasion at the time. If the Taiwanese provoked it, then that was just stupid on their part.
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darth sidious said:
Obviously one needs a functioning runway to get planes into the air (as well as land them), but it isn't that easy to put a runway completely out of commission. If you only want to do it temporarily, that's fair enough. But they can be repaired reasonably quickly, depending on the amount of damage done.
Remember that a Chinese ground assault would need time to prepare. So either Taiwan and the US would have time to prepare for an attack when it came, or (if it was a surprise attack) Taiwan would have time to recover and prepare for the ground force to arrive, and the US would be able to deploy its forces.
MIGleader
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You must realize a first strike with cruise missles and bunker busting bombs will destroy runsways for at least a few days. By the end of that time, the PLA will have pushed a distance inland, and have set up their SAM's in taiwan to shoot down any taiwanese fighter taking off.
Chinese radar covers all of taiwan. If a fighter takes off from a secret airbase, a cruise/ballistic missle will hit the airbase so the plane has nowhere to land.
Chinese radar covers all of taiwan. If a fighter takes off from a secret airbase, a cruise/ballistic missle will hit the airbase so the plane has nowhere to land.
The_Zergling
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I'm curious about the capabilities of Taiwan's military regarding ballistic missile detection. (Or that of any military)
How long would it take for Taiwan to notice when China fires a missile?
And on a side note, I have no doubt that China's radar can track anything in the vicinity of Taiwan. Something my uncle told me was that the ROCAF would have E-2s airborne nearly around the clock, and as soon as they detected a flight of Chinese fighters taking off from an airfield (That's close to the strait) the ROCAF would scramble a pair in response. In an era like this when fighters and missiles are so fast, a 'insignificant' area like the strait would give little response time should one side decide to attack...
But anyway, the question. Can anyone give me an estimate of how effective modern radars are at tracking ballistic missiles? (Those that are large enough to carry a warhead capable of disabling or destroying runways, bunkers, and HAS.
How long would it take for Taiwan to notice when China fires a missile?
And on a side note, I have no doubt that China's radar can track anything in the vicinity of Taiwan. Something my uncle told me was that the ROCAF would have E-2s airborne nearly around the clock, and as soon as they detected a flight of Chinese fighters taking off from an airfield (That's close to the strait) the ROCAF would scramble a pair in response. In an era like this when fighters and missiles are so fast, a 'insignificant' area like the strait would give little response time should one side decide to attack...
But anyway, the question. Can anyone give me an estimate of how effective modern radars are at tracking ballistic missiles? (Those that are large enough to carry a warhead capable of disabling or destroying runways, bunkers, and HAS.