Risk of Natural disasters vs Military facilities

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Just to point this out, Hurricane force 5 is basically the end of the world where ever they go.
I compare it to a nuclear weapons strike.
It's not easy cheap or even practical to build hangers to that rating on every base.
Even civilian buildings if a smaller size are complicated to build to that rating with limited actual proof that they can take it.

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not sure why you're posting absurd stuff like

"It's not easy cheap or even practical to build hangers to that rating on every base."

yes, it's absurd in the present context, as we don't talk "every base", but we talk what has happened, and what will happen, to the Raptors stationed at Tyndall

damage was done, the rest is EXCUSES! and GAMBLE if they keep them there the same way as before (they will)

Jura said:

actually I wanted to apologize to you if I sounded as if I were some 'Enemy of the State'

now will go to TE below ...

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No need Brother, your heart is at pure as the driven snow, I absolutely know the inner core of USAF is of that same steel, there are no doubt slacker's and politicians, (there will always be a couple of rotten apples in a bushel) , but to strap your butt into a fighter plane and launch into the night alone requires far more than just bravery? It requires honor and selflessness, please don't take that away from these patriots..

I've done a little flying at night, in fact I flew a couple of missions right seat for "Midnight Mitsubishi", ice, thunderstorms, airplane troubles???? It made a believer out of me, and yes I've flown my own bird alone at night, if the engine quits, where are you going to go,,,, makes a believer out of you, it really does, scares the krap out of you as well...

I'm not taking away from the rest of the flight crew or the maintainers either, my DAD's two best friends in life were John Daly and Jim Dotson, his flight engineers aboard the C-130 at Sewart AFB, Tenn..... He loved those guys, and they loved him, I was close with both their sons, they were my buds...

Anyway, everybody on Tyndall Air Force Base works hard, they did the best they were able to do to protect those aircraft, and I know, what I know, what I know, No ONE was was as broken hearted as they to leave those birds behind. I have to SIL's in the Army, those guys work their absolute asses off! they are quitters, they do what needs to be done, and leave nothing on the table!

I'm sorry once again, but this is my core, I wish I were half the man my Father was, and those who worked with him, all this during the heart of the Vietnam War, my Dad and his co-horts were larger than life heroes, every day, light or dark, good weather or bad!

Air Force Brat said:

No need Brother, your heart is at pure as the driven snow, I absolutely know the inner core of USAF is of that same steel, there are no doubt slacker's and politicians, (there will always be a couple of rotten apples in a bushel) , but to strap your butt into a fighter plane and launch into the night alone requires far more than just bravery? It requires honor and selflessness, please don't take that away from these patriots..

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Brother I admire the US Aviators for example
WW II Historical Thread, Discussion, Pics, Videos Jun 4, 2017

Jura said:

off top of my head (feel free to add any details):
almost exactly three quarters of century ago, in the morning of June 4, 1942, in the area off Midway, two squadrons, under the command of McClusky, of dive bombers off the USS Enterprise were able to find, while low on fuel, the Japanese battle group and wreak havoc on it;
on the way back, many aircraft ran out of fuel, and their crews were never seen again

just wanted to briefly commemorate these particular events here

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Jura said:

Brother I admire the US Aviators for example
WW II Historical Thread, Discussion, Pics, Videos Jun 4, 2017

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Exactly, and while that was a different era, with men cut whole cloth from a steely resolve,,, our men and women in the US Military are ALL volunteers, every last one of them.... the military offer good benefits and fair pay, as well as opportunities for education and learning advanced skills.....

But that comes with a reality that YOU may be the last man standing between life and death for many, and you will be expected by your comrades to do whatever it takes, including laying down your own life, just as your heroes did in World War II,,, look at the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, men and women laying it all on the line, and showing a bravery and heroism that is beyond extraordinary??

that's my point, they are by their very presence, a force to defend this nation,,, that's NOT where we ought to start laying our criticism, honestly?

there are lots of poster's on SDF, but few of us are fully prepared to make those kind of sacrifices,, this my friend is one area where the scripture, "judge not, lest ye be judged" comes into full effect?

Air Force Brat said:

Exactly, and while that was a different era, with men cut whole cloth from a steely resolve,,, our men and women in the US Military are ALL volunteers, every last one of them.... the military offer good benefits and fair pay, as well as opportunities for education and learning advanced skills.....

But that comes with a reality that YOU may be the last man standing between life and death for many, and you will be expected by your comrades to do whatever it takes, including laying down your own life, just as your heroes did in World War II,,, look at the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, men and women laying it all on the line, and showing a bravery and heroism that is beyond extraordinary??

that's my point, they are by their very presence, a force to defend this nation,,, that's NOT where we ought to start laying our criticism, honestly?

there are lots of poster's on SDF, but few of us are fully prepared to make those kind of sacrifices,,

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in a case of trouble, I tend to be the first "to go in", "Jura again" LOL but I know in a War this would mean to be among the first KIA

Air Force Brat said:

this my friend is one area where the scripture, "judge not, lest ye be judged" comes into full effect?

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Amen!

Jura said:

in a case of trouble, I tend to be the first "to go in", "Jura again" LOL but I know in a War this would mean to be among the first KIA

Amen!

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A noble quality that I admire about you!

Air Force Brat said:

A noble quality that I admire about you!

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guess it's a heritage from Polish ancestors and their history of failed uprisings ... the major ones were
Kościuszko 1794
'November' 1830-1
'January' 1863-4
alas! Warsaw 1944

of course it's controversial (and veering off topic)

I’m not as knowledgebe about the USAF as USN but quite surprised about the low level of readiness or even flyable aircrafts in the inventory. Raptors are top dogs and premium front line fast jets.. I would think they would have even better readiness rate.
Hopefully this brushed with Mother Nature will wake up some folks in the Pentagon and the USAF brass.

kwaigonegin said:

I’m not as knowledgebe about the USAF as USN but quite surprised about the low level of readiness or even flyable aircrafts in the inventory. Raptors are top dogs and premium front line fast jets.. I would think they would have even better readiness rate.
Hopefully this brushed with Mother Nature will wake up some folks in the Pentagon and the USAF brass.

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The first issue on that is the numbers game. With less then 200 built spare parts are not as common as would be liked and any issue becomes a major one.

Additionally every flight hour means hours of inspection and maintenance and with a smaller number in combat code that means the hours on these birds get used.

Because of the constant battle for spare parts of a bird is down she becomes spares for her sisters. This farther removes her from the mission line as when the spare parts do show they oftenhave to order even more to get her back on the flight line.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

The first issue on that is the numbers game. With less then 200 built spare parts are not as common as would be liked and any issue becomes a major one.

Additionally every flight hour means hours of inspection and maintenance and with a smaller number in combat code that means the hours on these birds get used.

Because of the constant battle for spare parts of a bird is down she becomes spares for her sisters. This farther removes her from the mission line as when the spare parts do show they oftenhave to order even more to get her back on the flight line.

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That's right, and it goes without saying that its been a long, long time since this girl has enjoyed the full support she needed, with money tied up in KC-46, F-35A, and the "glorious" LITTLE B-21 Raider??? REMEMBER, I've never said L/O is inexpensive, its NOT!

Remember this as well, the B-21 is purely OFFENSIVE! purely, the while the Super Raptor would be primarily DEFENSIVE, with a hellacious Offensive capability, and the likely ability to ingress and egress in a much narrower window, thereby increasing the chances of success.....

No offense, but Like Hitler, a lot of folks are infected with "Bomberititus!" as the US is oriented primarily around defense when it comes to our near pear competition, this dramatically narrows the strategic usefulness of a "Bomber Force"? I mean unless you're willing to "go to war"? those bombers are gonna be flying around burning fuel as a deterant? As we've recently seen with our Raptor force, they are spread very thin, and NGAD, well, we're already sucking a bunch of money out of the well?? KC-46, F-35, now B-21?? think how long its taken to get to this stage with a relatively simple conversion of a US commercial airframe to full tanking capability, its cost a "krap-load" of money,, just watch the B-21 "put on weight"?

having said all that, I think we should partner with the Japanese to bring forward an F-22/F-35 hybrid that will re-capititalize the HI end of the Hi/Lo fighter mix, build in an offensive capability...