Reinstating Gatekeeper, senior member of the forum

Gatekeeper should be reinstated, his ban is long enough for corrections


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solarz

Brigadier
What I find most perverse about these permabans is that people with integrity, like Gatekeeper, will respect the ban, while others (you know who) will keep making endless alt accounts until the mods give up on banning them.

Don't get me wrong though, the endless alts definitely deserve permaban!
 

SteelBird

Colonel
What I find most perverse about these permabans is that people with integrity, like Gatekeeper, will respect the ban, while others (you know who) will keep making endless alt accounts until the mods give up on banning them.

Don't get me wrong though, the endless alts definitely deserve permaban!
Off topic! but if a new account needs mod's approval before taking effective, would that be a good way to stop alt account?
 

Lethe

Captain
As with Steelbird, I am unfamiliar with the details of how and why Gatekeeper came to be banned. I am also ignorant of the "sausage-making details" of how moderators and staff make the decisions they do. So, like Steelbird, I will offer some general comments from my own limited perspective.

I would like to draw a distinction between the kinds of posters who seem to exist only to cause trouble, and those who make useful contributions to the community yet have an unfortunate tendency to "wander over the line" on occasion. My perception is that the steeply escalating ban system allows for the rapid elimination of the former "troublemaker" type, but can be unnecessarily harsh when applied to posters who have a demonstrated record of interesting, useful contributions, such that when these members are banned, the community suffers also.

I understand that community standards must be maintained. If anything, I would prefer more intervention in relation to certain kinds of posts, but that is a discussion for another topic. My suggestion is that the "ban escalation path" should become less steep. A one-month ban could be followed by a two- or three-month ban, while the step after that could be a four- or six-month ban, and finally an annual ban before a permanent ban. This would provide more opportunities for those capable of genuine contributions to learn to moderate their unwelcome behaviour. I am also mindful that moderators are volunteers with limited time and energy. For dealing with "obvious troublemakers", a more rapid escalation path could be followed, more like the system that operates now. Of course drawing a distinction between different types of poster requires a greater level of personal judgment on the part of the moderator, but I think this is something we can all accept in the interests of the community.
 
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The Observer

Junior Member
Registered Member
I wonder if we can add
As with Steelbird, I am unfamiliar with the details of how and why Gatekeeper came to be banned. I am also ignorant of the "sausage-making details" of how moderators and staff make the decisions they do. So, like Steelbird, I will offer some general comments from my own limited perspective.

I would like to draw a distinction between the kinds of posters who seem to exist only to cause trouble, and those who make useful contributions to the community yet have an unfortunate tendency to "wander over the line" on occasion. My perception is that the steeply escalating ban system allows for the rapid elimination of the former "troublemaker" type, but can be unnecessarily harsh when applied to posters who have a demonstrated record of interesting, useful contributions, such that when these members are banned, the community suffers also.

I understand that community standards must be maintained. If anything, I would prefer more intervention in relation to certain kinds of posts, but that is a discussion for another topic. My suggestion is that the "ban escalation path" should become less steep. A one-month ban could be followed by a two- or three-month ban, while the step after that could be a four- or six-month ban, and finally an annual ban before a permanent ban. This would provide more opportunities for those capable of genuine contributions to learn to moderate their unwelcome behaviour. I am also mindful that moderators are volunteers with limited time and energy. For dealing with "obvious troublemakers", a more rapid escalation path could be followed, more like the system that operates now. Of course drawing a distinction between different types of poster requires a greater level of personal judgment on the part of the moderator, but I think this is something we can all accept in the interests of the community.
Agreed on the "ban escalation path" and distinction between obvious troublemakers and useful contributors that have the tendency to wander around the red lines.

I want to add another suggestion. Currently, the punishment for bannable offenses always adds up in terms of length. However, I think it would be useful if future punishment can be reduced if they have been "good members" for a period of time. that way useful contributors who often wander around the red line would be less likely to be perma banned, especially if they can keep their urges down after being reprimanded.

for example: someone made a mistake and was banned for a week. In the current system, Future punishment most likely would be a 1-month ban. However, if after serving the current ban this member doesn't make any bannable mistake/offense for a month, the future punishment would be rolled back to a week. that is a "reward" for being a good member of the community

if they just keep making bannable offenses, fast-track them to Perma ban.
 
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