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[Jeff Head]

Interesting the navy F-X got canards.... Didn't the haters all say canards on J20 makes it non stealth?

You going to but 40+ on the deck? Is that going to fit?

The Boeing initial model has canards. The Grumman one does not. The Lockheed 6th gen is like a modernized YF-23. Here they are:

Boeing:



Grumman:



Lockheed:



As to 40 aircraft on deck...of course, easily.

The US Navy nuclear super carriers can easily spot 70 aircraft on deck at one time, and still leave room open for launching from one bow cat and for recovery aft.

Here's a couple of photos with between fifty and sixty spotted on deck:





I have seen more...and I believe @bd popeye can vouch for that too, and @kwaigonegin too.

 

[FORBIN]

I can be the Sh.. i was correct not rude ofc my opinion annoying you but for it i report for personnal attack...

maybe this time you understand but in fact you able understand when u want...

 

[texx1]

With respect, I have a question for any moderators but specifically for Jeff after reading the last several pages?

Does questioning other members' personal loyalty to their countries constitutes a personal attack under SDF rules?

For example,

Can I imply/accuse an American member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of American interventionism oversea?

Conversely, can I imply/accuse a Chinese member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of PRC's anti corruption effort?

 

[FORBIN]

With respect, I have a question for any moderators but specifically for Jeff after reading the last several pages?

Does questioning other members' personal loyalty to their countries constitutes a personal attack under SDF rules?

For example,

Can I imply/accuse an American member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of American interventionism oversea?

Conversely, can I imply/accuse a Chinese member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of PRC's anti corruption effort?

Each have her opinion and Nothing to do with a personnal Attack.
In more i have reported for one post... different no relation with it on the fund ofc.

But this one with some others but not US guys as him... do regurlalry anti-US Western also propaganda which it claims you can see and after i see a enormous US flag ! LOL what is this behavior seriously !

 

[FORBIN]

Why the face palm and rolling eyes? Equation made a valid point. Is it to you that China and the US are opposite of everything? when you love one, you must hate the other?

Ofc not but you need normaly... have the right behavior for the country which host you, Equation don' t live in China and it is not her interests and her business defend or other this country or he need living there.
People with " double face " it is not good take advantage of one country and criticize the other inaceptable and he do it only against USA in one direction only i repeat again...

Lets Equation's case... we are agree recently for a fake J-15 posted with small Japaneses flags/victories you say it is a stupidity and we are completely agree, sadly some here are completely able do it for Japan or others allies countries ... no respect no tolerance !!!
One wanted recently destroy a Mistral class with YJ-18 !

 

[Figaro]

With respect, I have a question for any moderators but specifically for Jeff after reading the last several pages?

Does questioning other members' personal loyalty to their countries constitutes a personal attack under SDF rules?

For example,

Can I imply/accuse an American member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of American interventionism oversea?

Conversely, can I imply/accuse a Chinese member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of PRC's anti corruption effort?

Why should anyone question one's loyalty to his/her state? Take America for example. Many refer to Edward Snowden as a hero for his NSA leaks while others believe he is a traitor. However, both sides are still loyal to their country; just because you disagree with the actions of your government does not necessarily mean you're disloyal. I myself have many gripes with various administrations (current one included) but that does not mean I want to undermine the United States.

 

[texx1]

Why should anyone question one's loyalty to his/her state? Take America for example. Many refer to Edward Snowden as a hero for his NSA leaks while others believe he is a traitor. However, both sides are still loyal to their country; just because you disagree with the actions of your government does not necessarily mean you're disloyal. I myself have many gripes with various administrations (current one included) but that does not mean I want to undermine the United States.

I agree with you fully. Dissent should never be confused as disloyalty. As a Canadian, I would never call someone who expressed his/her disagreement or disdain of Canadian government's policy as being uncanadian/disloyal. In fact, I would not question someone's motive for reasonably suggesting that some other countries are doing much better than Canada in certain areas, never mind accusing them of spewing anti Canada propaganda.

Since IMO, accusation regarding other members personal loyalty have been made, I merely wanted to ask for moderators' stance on the issue. Is such behavior allowed on SDF or not?

 

[vesicles]

Ofc not but you need normaly... have the right behavior for the country which host you,

First of all, I don't like the word "host". By that, you mean Equation is a simply a guest in the US. Not so! He IS the host since he is a US citizen. The US is his country and his home.

You need to change your mindset. The US is an immigrant country. Anyone with a US citizenship is considered American and a host of this country, regardless of their heritage.

A guest should have the courtesy of always saying praise and show his/her appreciation for their hosts. A host, on the other hand, speaks his/her mind. If they don't like what they see, they can speak about it. They can complain. And they can change it by participating in elections.

Many American members here on the forum have expressed their critical opinion on the US government, former or current. This is what makes the US great. We are free to criticize our government. Unlike what you think, criticizing our government actually makes us the patriots.

Ofc not but you need normaly... have the right behavior for the country which host you,

Can you define your meaning of "the right behavior"? You mean a loyal citizen should always praise your government? We actually have a term for that kind of people and it is called "a sheep", which is by the way not a positive thing to say...

Equation don' t live in China and it is not her interests and her business defend or other this country or he need living there.

Equation speaks his mind. He doesn't have to worry about his interests and his business being threatened or damaged when he speaks against his own country because it is his First Amendment right to speak his mind. He is doing exactly what he is expected to do as an American. He speaks his mind and people respect that.

President Trump defends Russia and his good buddy Putin all the time. Does that make him less American? Do you accuse his of being a traitor?

People with " double face " it is not good take advantage of one country and criticize the other inaceptable and he do it only against USA in one direction only i repeat again...

He served and still serves his country well. He has served in the US Army Reserves and risked his life for his country. He pays taxes, which contributes to the economy of his country. He participates in local and national election, which helps shape our economic and political future.

Again, you need to change your mindset. French may not like immigrants and look down upon immigrants. You may force immigrants in your country to say only good things about your government and threaten bodily harm to those who don't do that. But here in the US, everyone is an immigrant and we are free to speak our minds.

You may not like Equation and may not agree with his opinions. One thing you must never do is to shut him up.

 

[kwaigonegin]

The Boeing initial model has canards. The Grumman one does not. The Lockheed 6th gen is like a modernized YF-23. Here they are:

Boeing:

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Grumman:

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Lockheed:

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As to 40 aircraft on deck...of course, easily.

The US Navy nuclear super carriers can easily spot 70 aircraft on deck at one time, and still leave room open for launching from one bow cat and for recovery aft.

Here's a couple of photos with between fifty and sixty spotted on deck:

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I have seen more...and I believe @bd popeye can vouch for that too, and @kwaigonegin too.

Yes, Jeff is right... we call that maximum density and operational surge but keep in mind that while that is important what is even more important are sortie rates.
For optimum sortie rates during serious crises we carry bout 80%+- max dense which would be about 50 birds on deck for maximum launch, recovery etc.

Maximum density and operational surge also takes don just include combat birds, but the equipment on deck, trucks, cranes etc, helos and other types for maximum operational effectiveness.

Crew fatigue is also taken into account but again in a serious crises when SHTF, I can say that a USN CVN can generate a much higher sortie rates for a short period of time. Those figures are not published nor are they publicly available.

 

[Jeff Head]

With respect, I have a question for any moderators but specifically for Jeff after reading the last several pages?

Does questioning other members' personal loyalty to their countries constitutes a personal attack under SDF rules?

For example,

Can I imply/accuse an American member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of American interventionism oversea?

Conversely, can I imply/accuse a Chinese member of disloyalty if he/she is critical of PRC's anti corruption effort?

In America people are free to their opinions. If you offer n opinion that someone is disloyal, make sur eit is just that...an opinion. And then make sure it is done with respect and not as a flame war. People are free to discuss it among themselves.

But remember, SD IS NOT a political forum. If politics starts to come into it...it will not be long before we, as moderators ask that to stop. This is a Defense Forum, mainly about weapons systems, force levels, equipment, weapons, ships, aircraft, sensors, weapons, etc., etc. and the capabilities they have and the force structure and plans/dies that control their use.

But the Rules on SD specifically state that we are not going to allow people to come on here and flame bait and run other people's countries down because of their animus for it, because of political ideology, etc, etc.

A person can feel free to question decisions of countries, but on SD you have to keep that type of disagreement above attacking other people or their countries.

Since this is a privately run forum, and since the rues are posted, everyone implicitly agrees to abide by them when they start posting. If they do not, we will let you know...and if rules continued to be disobeyed, then we warn, suspend, and ultimately ban people if it does not stop.

We do not want a free fire, flame bait, argumentative, and free for all forum here. We want it kept professional and when there is disagreement to do so with respect of those who may disagree with you.

Anyhow...hope that helps.

A person does not become a dissident merely because they disagree with political statements or decisions by one administration or another. In the US we have peaceful and effective ways for the people to effect change without fighting or getting ugly.

Now, that does not mean that "anything" goes. People who try and destroy the country from within can still be prosecuted for any number of things...for inciting riots, to violating security acts, etc.

But having a different opinion is not one of those.