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vesicles

Colonel
I heard less than a hour ago on BBC Radio 4 a program called 'More or Less' in which they considered the costs of the damage caused by the flood. Americans build houses where there is danger of flooding because other considerations point to those places and insurance is made cheap by government subsidy. They gave the example of a house in Houston that was inundated sixteen times in eighteen years and for which inundations compensation was paid out which together amounted to a large multiple of the value of the house. They considered this insurance to be a large factor in the increasing costs of inundations in US. Any comments?

I don't think insurance is cheap by any means. We pay a lot of insurance. However, many home owners don't even have insurance. I think Fox News said a couple days ago that only 20% of homes flooded by Harvey is actually insured. That means all the other owners (80% of the damamged houses) simply have to absorb the losses by themselves.

Although my house is not in the flood zone, we decided to buy separate flood insurance. So we are protected more or less. With that said, even if you have insurance, the actual paying part is not straightforward at all. Many in Houston at this very moment are still dealing with insurance companies on their losses sustained in a hurricane back in 2009. So even if you have flood insurance, it's still difficult to say when and if you can get the compensation. Even when you can get it, no one knows how much compensation you can actually get.

One thing for sure though, you won't be compensated completely for all the losses. Insurance companies do their best to weasel out of paying. That's why everyone has been saying that we all need to take photos of our possessions in the house before evacuating. Even in the news, they have been telling us to file insurance claims ASAP if we want to get anything in a timely manner. People say today would be the latest if we want to get anything.

So it's not as straightforward as being described in the BBC segment.
 

delft

Brigadier
I quote a small part of a leader by The Economist, another of the British media:
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America has the opposite problem—the federal government subsidises the insurance premiums of vulnerable houses. The National Flood Insurance Programme (NFIP) has been forced to borrow because it fails to charge enough to cover its risk of losses. Underpricing encourages the building of new houses and discourages existing owners from renovating or moving out. According to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, houses that repeatedly flood account for 1% of NFIP’s properties but 25-30% of its claims. Five states, Texas among them, have more than 10,000 such households and, nationwide, their number has been going up by around 5,000 each year. Insurance is meant to provide a signal about risk; in this case, it stifles it.
But I well remember the Dutch province Limburg saying around 1990: We have to build in the winter bed of the river because we need the area. There too people depended on the state to compensate them in case of inundation.
 

delft

Brigadier
While I'm at it, here is an editorial from The New York Times:
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How Federal Flood Insurance Puts Homes at Risk
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AUG. 31, 2017

It was clear long before Hurricane Harvey slammed into Texas that the National Flood Insurance Program, the government’s most important means of recovering from such disasters, needed to be overhauled. It fails to account for the full extent of flood risk, encourages development in areas known to be flood-prone and is not realistically funded.

Congress created the program in 1968 after most private insurers stopped selling flood policies or began charging very high premiums because the business had become too risky.

In recent years, the staggering costs of storms like Katrina and Sandy have left the program, which has
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, with a nearly $25 billion debt to the federal government.

Congress is to blame for this. It requires the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which administers the program, to subsidize premiums, but has not provided it with money to do so. Reform efforts in recent years have fallen short, but lawmakers have another chance to fix the program, which will lapse if not
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The biggest change would be to have premiums reflect the actual overall risk. Previous attempts to quickly increase their cost over just a few years faltered after policyholders and their elected representatives pushed back. If Congress is unwilling to raise premiums, it ought to properly finance the subsidies.

A more realistic approach would be for lawmakers to offer incentives to homeowners and cities to reduce the number of homes at risk of catastrophic flooding. Congress could direct FEMA to help cities buy out homes that have flooded repeatedly. The
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estimates that the government has spent about $5.5 billion since 1978 to rebuild 30,000 homes that have flooded as many as five times in a two- or three-year period. The group estimates that buying many of these homes would cost less than the government spends in rebuilding them over and over. FEMA does finance buyouts but it spends vastly more to rebuild properties.

The program could also offer policyholders more money to raise their homes above flood elevations. It now offers up to $30,000 for such improvements, but experts say costs can be two or three times more than that.
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More important, not just for the program but for the cost that disasters pose to the country, would be to properly finance a full updating of flood maps, which establish the 100-year flood plain where homes have at least a 1 percent risk of flooding in any given year. Homeowners with properties in those zones are required to buy flood insurance if they have mortgages. The maps do not take into account climate change’s effect on
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and
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, and ignore the risks posed by real estate development. This gives homeowners a false sense that they are not at risk from flooding. (Even the 100-year flood concept might need to be updated to reflect greater risk to people living outside the zones.)

The insurance program could also provide home buyers better information about properties’ flooding history. Now, the first time many people learn that their new homes are flood-prone is the first time they see their living room underwater. FEMA should also be required to provide aggregate information about flooding risks to local governments and the public, so they can better prepare for storms.

Finally, lawmakers ought to wipe out the debt the flood insurance program owes to the government. It is inconceivable that FEMA would ever be able to repay the Treasury for past disasters,
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. It makes no sense to let that number swell, which it surely will once the claims from Harvey are tallied and paid out.

Congress clearly cannot eliminate the threat that natural disasters pose to the country. But it can do a much better job reducing the risk that storms like Harvey pose to life and property.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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Well to clarified things up for you I love China and I love the USA. I detest the USA foreign policies and the mantra about keeping the status quo all because certain American's thinks that they are the exception and the peace keeper of the world given to them by "God", which is of course not true. I hate the naysayers and doom mongers about China from the western press (which is not free press at all) that keeps on prescribing the narrative that China is bad because it is simply Communism. I spend time in the Army Reserve for a short time to protect this country but I am NOT going to do anything just to keep some stupid status quo that some people deem it as critical to peace. That's just my view and feelings.

In F-35 topic i have see... but it is not the subject here the rules and reason why Jeff have " mderate " you it is not place for do politic or propaganda...you do regularly with your buddies, you have your point OK but don' t need post it...

For me your position is not clear... and i don't like in more in your profile you mention a location...
i repeat to you for true military things... never see anti china press i think it is mainly paranoia ofc some problems with other things especialy SCS not surprising.
For Communism even without do politic is is certain unique Party and no election can be only bad...
and Chinese foreign policies is also doubtfull.

And i can say to you members here which have posted are nice, cool i am certain it would be the opposite case you would live in china and you are a American even not completely and you would post things in the same style you have posted but for china some excited members insult you from very long time !
 
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vesicles

Colonel
And i can say to you members here which have posted are nice, cool i am certain it would be the opposite case you would live in china and you are a American even not completely and you would post things in the same style you have posted but for china some excited members insult you from very long time !

Would you mind clarify the bolded part a little more? what do you mean by "not completely American"? One is either an American (with a US citizenship) or not an American (without a US citizenship). How can one be "not completely American"?

Equation has mentioned that he has served with the US Army Reserve, which means he is a loyal US citizen who has risked his life for peace and freedom of Americans. It also means that the US Army trusts him to be a loyal patriot. One key freedom for ALL Americans is the freedom of speech. Like every American, he has the right to his own believes. He can agree with everything the US government does. Equally, he can disagree with everything the US government does. In fact, it is the latter that makes America the land of free.

Citizens can be anti-US government and loyal Americans at the same time. In fact, that is the main rationale for the second Amendment: the right to bare arms. The US citizens can own weapons so that they have the ability to rise up against their own government.

Just because Equation is very critical of the US government, it doesn't make him any less American than anyone else. We are free to be pro-US, anti-US, pro-China, or anti-China. We can be anti-everything if we choose to.
 

Figaro

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Would you mind clarify the bolded part a little more? what do you mean by "not completely American"? One is either an American (with a US citizenship) or not an American (without a US citizenship). How can one be "not completely American"?

Equation has mentioned that he has served with the US Army Reserve, which means he is a loyal US citizen who has risked his life for peace and freedom of Americans. It also means that the US Army trusts him to be a loyal patriot. One key freedom for ALL Americans is the freedom of speech. Like every American, he has the right to his own believes. He can agree with everything the US government does. Equally, he can disagree with everything the US government does. In fact, it is the latter that makes America the land of free.

Citizens can be anti-US government and loyal Americans at the same time. In fact, that is the main rationale for the second Amendment: the right to bare arms. The US citizens can own weapons so that they have the ability to rise up against their own government.

Just because Equation is very critical of the US government, it doesn't make him any less American than anyone else. We are free to be pro-US, anti-US, pro-China, or anti-China. We can be anti-everything if we choose to.
@FORBIN No, Vesicles is not completely American, but neither am I. The only people who can call themselves completely American are those Amerindian tribes who've inhabited this continent for thousands of years, and even they too migrated over here. I don't want to sound too judgmental, but it does appear that your post has racial connotations attached with it. It's almost as if saying, unless you're Caucasian, you cannot be a true "American". I too know Asian-American personnel who've served their country very diligently, much more so than many White-folks here. Just because Vesicles is ethnically Chinese does not mean that he loves China over the United States. America is a country founded by immigrants, like it or not.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I criticize US policies because it's my American right to do so and I know it and that's why I do it. If you think otherwise, then you're definitely not American. The majority of people who hide behind rights don't even know what it means. If you don't want to look bad, then don't do what makes you bad. It says a lot more when people think it's better to hide it than to correct the problem meaning they're liars and want to commit wrong. The road to hell is paved with good intentions... Meaning the most evil people hide behind what's good even if they don't intentionally do it.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Would you mind clarify the bolded part a little more? what do you mean by "not completely American"? One is either an American (with a US citizenship) or not an American (without a US citizenship). How can one be "not completely American"?

Equation has mentioned that he has served with the US Army Reserve, which means he is a loyal US citizen who has risked his life for peace and freedom of Americans. It also means that the US Army trusts him to be a loyal patriot. One key freedom for ALL Americans is the freedom of speech. Like every American, he has the right to his own believes. He can agree with everything the US government does. Equally, he can disagree with everything the US government does. In fact, it is the latter that makes America the land of free.

Citizens can be anti-US government and loyal Americans at the same time. In fact, that is the main rationale for the second Amendment: the right to bare arms. The US citizens can own weapons so that they have the ability to rise up against their own government.

Just because Equation is very critical of the US government, it doesn't make him any less American than anyone else. We are free to be pro-US, anti-US, pro-China, or anti-China. We can be anti-everything if we choose to.

Ok, sure read my posts i have say each can have her opinion ofc but according the forum rules
And i can't know if the member is a true American or other ofc.

Equation do anti US propaganda and big ! last time on F-35 topic waouw excited really agressive worst propaganda !!! Jeff obliged to intervene #5155 Jeff Head, Aug 1, 2017 NO MORE POLITICS. ...

He don't love both countries he like living in USA but prefer China never he criticizes China it is the proof ...he thinks too much about Politic not good.

After for foreign policies he get wrong coz it is very old since very long time, problems with a big difference beween the 2 countries for various reasons... so it is not new and not necessary, useless to repeat indfinitely as he do bored we with some others and him/you/we can't remake the world... ! and it is not the point here it is a forum for military subjects.
 
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FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
@FORBIN No, Vesicles is not completely American, but neither am I. The only people who can call themselves completely American are those Amerindian tribes who've inhabited this continent for thousands of years, and even they too migrated over here. I don't want to sound too judgmental, but it does appear that your post has racial connotations attached with it. It's almost as if saying, unless you're Caucasian, you cannot be a true "American". I too know Asian-American personnel who've served their country very diligently, much more so than many White-folks here. Just because Vesicles is ethnically Chinese does not mean that he loves China over the United States. America is a country founded by immigrants, like it or not.
I reassure you Nothing about it nationality only in relation with the problem mentionned it is certain normaly an american don't do anti american propaganda ...saddly not all !!!

BTW i love my friend Popeye which is a black person...
 
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