Raid on PAP station by extremists in Xinjiang

AssassinsMace

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This is one of those stories that can be spun the hell out of. It can be used as propaganda for how horrible China treats the minorities there. Then on the other end it can be charged this was made up and not a separatist act to justify Chinese security actions around the country.
 

Quickie

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In some cases, the media can be more powerful than military weapons. And who has control of most of the world's media?

On the raid, it looks like the PAP has too much confidence of having everything in control. I mean a group of unarmed policemen running in the open?
 

Scyth

Junior Member
From what I've heard those policemen were doing their gymnastics. So I guess they were not really on duty yet and that may explain why they were not armed. Furthermore maybe the estimated threat level was not so high according to chinese intelligence so that no further security measures were taken for the police.
BTW Given the element of surpise and grenades, anyone could make casulties.
 

mobydog

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About the pics above..

Is that Cop a Hui or uyghar ? Definately not Han.

It seemed that typical Chinese cops are not armed with firearms, no wonder the two would just de-truck and attack with knives. Commonly, these two would have been shoot, if this were to happen in any developed countries.

China shouldn't take heed on what the West preaches, just arm every cop and sent suspected terrorist to Gizmo.

They even were disgusted they China's setup of "Protest Zones", when they were just following USA's "Free-speech Zone".

In many situations, where China is blamned on Violating Human rights, the west have done pretty much the same thing, given the same kind of situation. Look at Lahsa, when the tibetans were conducting Pogom, they expect the Chinese to do nothing, then look at LA and Paris riots. French cops was filmed holding a shield on the left and a 9mm on the right shooting unarmed protestors. But that's ok.

I really don't see what those people can achieve in doing these attacks, China obviously would not back down from this and allow those people take Xinjiang and go independent cuz of you go bomb some police station.

My guess is that they are just trying to get ethnic tention, hostility and suspicions to eachother to rise between muslims and nonmuslims in the area, so that they might get more support.


Mostly it's just ethnic Uigur muslims that try to reform the old Uigurstan which died out centries ago, however 90% of the historical Uigurstan's territory lies outside of todays China, but are infact inside of today mongolia and Russia, only a small part of northern Xinjiang were once part of Uigurstan. Ironicly today's Uigur population are concentrated mostly in southern and southwest Xinjiang, which traditionally hade nothing to do with the Uigurs.
What Uigurstan ? Didn't the Turks invaded Xinjiang in 800ad, and only ruled for all of 70 years. After Tangs dynasty was established, they pushed them turks out all the way to Middle East ? The present Uighur community was the remmants of the Turks occupation. The Hans, Hui, Mongol and Various Xiongnu tribes were there for thousand years before. During the Turks 70 years occupation they were conducting ethnic cleansing against the Han, Hui and Mongolians. The Tangs should have done the same thing against the turks population, and China todays wouldn't have the problem.

Btw, during the 1940s Soviet was supporting the Uighur for independence during the "great Games" to reinstall themselves like in Mongolia. They were conducting Ethnic Cleansing again killing off Hans and Hui with a Slogan " Kill Hui, wipeout hans" The KMT was fighting them right up to the Communist succession of China.

Hope this helps
 
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T-U-P

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well seeing how most of the death are a result of the truck running them over, having guns wouldn't have helped much. I'm sure the police would be competent enough to handle 2 guys armed with knives and grenades if they didn't have the truck. And just like most traffic accidents, you simply can't expect it to happen.
 

bd popeye

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They even were disgusted they China's setup of "Protest Zones", when they were just following USA's "Free-speech Zone".

Free speech zone??? Not saying it does not exist but I've never heard of that, I've lived in the US my whole life.

In the US you can protest where ever you want as long as you don't, trespass, disrupt business or any sort of proccedings.

China shouldn't take heed on what the West preaches, just arm every cop and sent suspected terrorist to Gizmo.

The West? I assume you are including the US. In case you did not know all police in the US whether local, state or Federal are armed.

As far as the attack is concerned it appears to me the the attackers knew when to attack to get the greatest damage to the unsuspecting police. The PAP was unfortunatley caught completly by surprise. I'm sure the PAP will take measures to beef up their own security.
 

adeptitus

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Here's an updated article, including the Japanese reporter incident. They're being very careful with international press these days, though I wonder if the same compensation would've been offered to local reporters. X_X

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China tightens security following attack in west

By WILLIAM FOREMAN, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago

KASHGAR, China - Soldiers patrolled the streets Tuesday where bomb-tossing attackers killed 16 police in China's western Xinjiang region, prompting a full security alert in the restive Muslim territory just days before the Olympic Games.

Police boarded vehicles and searched passengers' bags on the roads leading into Kashgar, the city near the Afghan-Pakistan border where Monday's attack happened. Government offices, schools and hospitals were also to be under greater watch, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.

Sixteen officers were killed and another 16 injured Monday in the audacious attack in which two assailants rammed a group of police with a dump truck during their morning jog and hurled explosives at them.

Kashgar's Communist Party secretary, Shi Dagang, called the attack an act of premeditated terrorism and told reporters that the two attackers prepared written statements beforehand saying "they had to wage 'holy war,'" Xinhua reported.

China's Olympic organizers immediately said security precautions were ready to ensure safety in Beijing and other Olympic venues when the games open Friday.

China has made safety a priority for the Olympics, mobilizing hundreds of thousands of police, military and local residents as part of a huge security net over the capital. But the Xinjiang attack underscored that with so much security focused on Beijing, areas far from the capital make tempting targets.

The timing so close to opening day heightened the attack's shock value.

"Security for the Olympic Games is of paramount importance. The more we give, the safer and more secure the residents will feel," Xinhua quoted Han Shubin, the deputy director of an Urumqi police division, as saying.

The two attackers arrested on the scene were Uighurs, a mainly Muslim ethnic minority group, some of whom have waged a sporadically violent rebellion against Chinese rule.

Li Li, a spokesman for Xijiang Public Security Bureau, said 18 terrorist suspects had been arrested in the region this year. The two men arrested in Monday's attack were not among that number, Li said.

Last month, officials said China detained 82 suspected terrorists in Xinjiang in the first half of the year for allegedly plotting attacks against the Olympics.

Under Chinese law, suspects are not officially considered arrested until they have been charged with a crime, so it was unclear whether the 18 were among the 82 detained.

In a videotape last month, an extremist Uighur group believed to be based across the mountainous border in Pakistan's tribal frontier threatened to target the Olympics.

State broadcaster China Central Television said in its noon broadcast Tuesday that the two men, aged 28 and 33, had planned the attack, stealing the dump truck and ramming it into some 70 border patrol paramilitary police as they passed a hotel during a morning jog. They then hurled the explosives and attacked the policemen with knives.

One of the attackers lost a hand when the homemade explosives blew up. Afterward, police recovered additional explosives, a gun, and "propaganda materials about a holy war," state media said.

On Tuesday, the streets in northwestern Kashgar appeared quiet, though four soldiers in uniform and helmets were seen marching up the sidewalk on patrol, carrying short black clubs.

"I heard the attack yesterday morning. It was not loud. It just sounded like a car's tire bursting," said a waitress who worked in a small nearby restaurant who refused to give her name for fear of reprisals.

"It doesn't seem like there are more police on the streets, but the neighborhood patrols seem to be tighter. They're coming around and checking more often," she said.

The assault took place on a tree-lined thoroughfare in front of the small Yiquan Hotel, housed in an older three-story building covered in dusty white, yellow and maroon tile.

The hotel was closed Tuesday, with a large plastic tarp covering the entrance. Just to the right of the hotel, a group of four trees appeared to have been recently uprooted.

Underscoring tensions in the region, Chinese authorities clashed late Monday with two Japanese journalists who rushed to Kashgar to report on the attack, then later apologized to the newsmen after Tokyo said it would lodge a formal complaint, Xinhua and Japanese officials said.

The clash occurred when the journalists tried to enter a restricted area, Xinhua said. Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura told reporters in Tokyo that the two had been detained and roughed up adding: "We plan to lodge a strong protest."

Xinhua cited Eskar, an official from the regional office of foreign affairs in Kashgar, as saying local authorities apologized to the reporter and photographer, though they had disobeyed the rules.

"We are sorry for the incident and the damage to the equipment that belonged to the reporters," Eskar, who was identified by just one name, was quoted as saying. He said the border police would pay to repair the equipment and "the medical bills for physical checks" of the journalists, Xinhua said.

Monday's attack was all the more surprising because it follows years of intensive security measures in Xinjiang. A wave of violence in the 1990s mainly targeted police, officials and Uighurs seen as collaborators. Also in the 1990s, separatists also staged nearly simultaneous explosions on three public buses in the provincial capital of Urumqi.

In response, the government stationed more paramilitary units in the region and shut unregistered mosques and religious schools seen as hotbeds of anti-government extremism.
 

AssassinsMace

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Free speech zone??? Not saying it does not exist but I've never heard of that, I've lived in the US my whole life.


It happened in liberal San Fancisco during the torch run but of course no one followed those rules.
 

Finn McCool

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This story has definately been ignored as much as possible by the Western media. Really there just isn't a market for stories where the Chinese government, and especially its security apparatus, appear to be the victim. It was buried deep inside the LA Times and really there has been little mention of it. Now I'm not one of the people who use "Western media bias" as the catch-all answer to questions about the state of human rights in China, but this incident definately does show bias.

The Uyghur seperatists definately made things easier on themselves by attacking the police. It would have been much easier and safer for just to, for instance, plant a bomb on a bus, then to attack the police. However they knew that they couldn't afford civillian casualties, publicity wise.

The attackers may have been amateurs at bombmaking, based on the fact that one of them was severly wounded by their own bomb, but they planned this out effectively, to kill 16 people like that. They must have surveiled the PAP soldiers exercising before, and practiced, because if you think about the actual sequence and structure of the attack (run over people, get out of the car, throw bombs, stab, retreat), it's surprising that they were able to kill that many people and still escape. They had been planning this for a while.

Edit: I was mistaken, the attackers were captured.
 
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yehe

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About the pics above..

Is that Cop a Hui or uyghar ? Definately not Han.

It seemed that typical Chinese cops are not armed with firearms, no wonder the two would just de-truck and attack with knives. Commonly, these two would have been shoot, if this were to happen in any developed countries.

China shouldn't take heed on what the West preaches, just arm every cop and sent suspected terrorist to Gizmo.

They even were disgusted they China's setup of "Protest Zones", when they were just following USA's "Free-speech Zone".

In many situations, where China is blamned on Violating Human rights, the west have done pretty much the same thing, given the same kind of situation. Look at Lahsa, when the tibetans were conducting Pogom, they expect the Chinese to do nothing, then look at LA and Paris riots. French cops was filmed holding a shield on the left and a 9mm on the right shooting unarmed protestors. But that's ok.

What Uigurstan ? Didn't the Turks invaded Xinjiang in 800ad, and only ruled for all of 70 years. After Tangs dynasty was established, they pushed them turks out all the way to Middle East ? The present Uighur community was the remmants of the Turks occupation. The Hans, Hui, Mongol and Various Xiongnu tribes were there for thousand years before. During the Turks 70 years occupation they were conducting ethnic cleansing against the Han, Hui and Mongolians. The Tangs should have done the same thing against the turks population, and China todays wouldn't have the problem.

Btw, during the 1940s Soviet was supporting the Uighur for independence during the "great Games" to reinstall themselves like in Mongolia. They were conducting Ethnic Cleansing again killing off Hans and Hui with a Slogan " Kill Hui, wipeout hans" The KMT was fighting them right up to the Communist succession of China.

Hope this helps

There was a Uigurstan once, it's basicly East Turky, Turks was divided into 2 khanet at that time, while west Turky was defeated by Tang and driven allthe way to todays middleast, east turk capitulated and fell into control of the Tang dynasty, how ever, after Tang dynasty collapsed, they formed a Uigurstan, but it's not in todays Xinjiang, but most of thier territorry are in today's mongolia and russia.
 
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